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Film School Rejects on Comic-Con Leaks

Posted on 7/13/15 at 10:48 am
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 10:48 am
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The existence of bootlegged footage from Comic-Con is inevitable. That doesn’t make it right. Let’s be clear: recording something after you’ve been told that you’re not allowed to record it (something that happens before every panel) is wrong. The convention asks the audience not to record footage because the studios ask them to do so. Studios want to be able to control the wider release of said footage, both in timing and quality. And in some cases, studios want to give the Comic-Con audience something special, unique and exclusive to their in the moment experience. They want to make the experience worthwhile for those fans who spent the money to come to the Con, then waited in line, sometimes overnight. When you think about it in context, it’s a somewhat noble idea. They want Comic-Con to be special. Yet because there’s a good chance that out of the 6,500 people in the audience, at least one is going to be an arse about it, that idea is often spoiled.

This leads to a lot of talk like we’re seeing today. On Deadline, Mike Fleming asks, Will Comic-Con Leaks Stop Studios From Showing Exclusive Footage? He makes specific references to footage shown by Warner Bros. for Suicide Squad and the Con’s most talked about footage shown by 20th Century Fox for Deadpool. Both panels were major highlights for attendees and both had footage leaked onto the web within 24 hours of the panel. Referencing comments from insiders, Fleming speculates that studios will be increasingly less likely to bring exclusive footage to Comic-Con in the future. And he (and his insiders) place a lot of the onus on the convention itself to beef up security. He even published a statement from Warner Bros. President of Worldwide Marketing and International Distribution, Sue Kroll, which passively chastises the Comic-Con audience:
“We have no plans currently to release the Suicide Squad footage that leaked from Hall H on Saturday. It’s unfortunate and ultimately damaging that one individual broke a long-standing trust we have enjoyed with our fans at the convention by posting early material, which, at this point, was not intended for a wider audience. We are still in production on Suicide Squad, and will have a big campaign launch in the future. Our presentation yesterday was designed to be experienced in that room, on those big screens!”



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That’s not an unfair position. What we can’t ignore is that studios work very hard to control the message. The who, what, where and when of the releasing of information is something they take very seriously. This is something that’s often disrupted, whether it’s by leaks of information or the more tangible leaks of actual material from their films. And on their end, it’s frustrating. Imagine working in a job in which you are trying to create something, but halfway through the process someone steals your unfinished work and puts it out into the world. Imagine if someone leaked this article three paragraphs ago. It wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense. So I get that, it’s hard out there for a studio. They want to show the audience something cool at Comic-Con, but they still want to control the release of their information.



The writer's solution is solid, follow the Star Wars model. However, I'm more interested in the studio response, I both get it and don't get it all at the same time. And their solution, that this is some breaking of trust so we just don't show it, dis ludicrous.

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“We have no plans currently to release the Suicide Squad footage that leaked from Hall H on Saturday. It’s unfortunate and ultimately damaging that one individual broke a long-standing trust we have enjoyed with our fans at the convention by posting early material, which, at this point, was not intended for a wider audience.


The big problem with this is that ANY audience is potentially a wide audience. And that's a good thing, not a bad thing. Even with incomplete footage. People are willing to watch and experience poor cam copies of films. Theaters are routinely a bad place to watch a film (although I'm a bit spoiled now here). Part of me wants to say that you make a film for a big screen, but it's lasting fandom will pretty much always watch it on a small screen after a few weeks. That's just a misguided thought.

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Our presentation yesterday was designed to be experienced in that room, on those big screens!”


Then it was a poor presentation to think that those were the only fans you had.

All at the same time, I get the exclusivity that they want to build at Comic Con, so put that effort into something that sticks there. Something to take home. Some kind of event that fans not in attendance won't really want a part of. But getting an early peek at something as a fan, should be shared by all, imo. (And heck the crappy cam of the suicide squad footage has me MORE interested in the film than I was before.... think about that.)
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 10:49 am
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 10:57 am to
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All at the same time, I get the exclusivity that they want to build at Comic Con


I think this is pretty much the bottom line and the writer comes off as a guy butthurt that this could hurt studios from bringing stuff in future years, and he loses clicks writing articles with descriptions of what was shown.
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:06 am to
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:10 am to
At this point the studios know that whatever images or footage they show at a major convention will be leaked immediately.

WB had the right idea by releasing the BvS trailer immediately after showing it in Hall H.

Just use the date as your release date for your trailers. It's not like people will stop going to Comic Con because the footage is immediately shared with the world.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:12 am to
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WB had the right idea by releasing the BvS trailer immediately after showing it in Hall H.


And Star Wars released it's footage in HD on the interwebs right after as well.

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Just use the date as your release date for your trailers. It's not like people will stop going to Comic Con because the footage is immediately shared with the world.


Sounds easy? But with some studios threatening to not release footage at all...

Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:12 am to
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I think this is pretty much the bottom line and the writer comes off as a guy butthurt that this could hurt studios from bringing stuff in future years, and he loses clicks writing articles with descriptions of what was shown.


Most of the reviews and coverage of Comic Con included bitching about the convention. Lots of these guys are jaded and feel "less special" because the world is now covering Comic Con.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:19 am to
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Sounds easy? But with some studios threatening to not release footage at all...


Then don't.

Since Iron Man they've used Comic Con to create buzz for their next feature. They get the benefit of news stories about thousands of fans cheering their heads off over their previews. Something that they wouldn't get from showing the preview to a hundred critics (who would give critiques instead of "holy shite that was awesome" fan reviews). Along with that amateur fan worship comes the unprofessionalism of sharing the footage online. Sucks, but that's what happens when you drop your pants in front of a stadium full of people.

If you don't like that system then don't participate. Star Wars and BvS dominated social media this weekend. You'd think that the other studios would want in on that.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 11:20 am
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:27 am to
Like I said in another thread, at least Marvel injects humor into it.

When the Age of Ultron trailer was leaked a week before it was supposed to on Agents of SHIELD, their response?

"Dammit, HYDRA!!!"

They playfully tied it into their overall storyline even though they didn't want it released early.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:30 am to
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Referencing comments from insiders, Fleming speculates that studios will be increasingly less likely to bring exclusive footage to Comic-Con in the future. And he (and his insiders) place a lot of the onus on the convention itself to beef up security.


This is such a crock of shite. I'm sorry, but it is.

In the digital age, it's really ridiculous to expect exclusivity at an event that hundreds of thousands attend in person and that more than that wait online for specific releases. Comic Con is all about the experience. You can have leak upon leak, but that still doesn't come close to standing in that hall and being part of the experience. You can still "release something cool at Comic Con", but make it more about the in person experience. It all sounds like an excuse to be lazy when nurturing that experience.

I appreciate the studios and production teams that release the panels and content afterward. And aren't uptight assholes about it and actually use Comic Con as a jumping off point to build on a campaign.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 11:33 am
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:32 am to
This sounds way too familiar of the "OMG stop using napster" in 2000 and the "OMG stop using torrents" speeches from music/movie companies the past decade
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:32 am to
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But with some studios threatening to not release footage at all...


If you go to the original Deadline article you'll see that the studios haven't made this threat. They cite "studio insiders" as saying "this breach of etiquette might carry consequences at future Comic-Cons."
Posted by timbo
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:35 am to
You can't tell me that Warners and Fox are upset over the fact that people are geeking out and raving over the Suicide Squad and Deadpool footage. People wanting to watch a shaky-cam trailer on YouTube, is a lot better than people not giving a shite about your movie. (Apparently, they debuted new Fantastic Four footage at Comic-Con. Ain't nobody talking about that.) They aren't about to stop showing exclusive footage at Comic-Con.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:45 am to
If Comic-Con said that they would no longer show footage from unreleased projects they would still sell out immediately.
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:47 am to
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You can't tell me that Warners and Fox are upset over the fact that people are geeking out and raving over the Suicide Squad and Deadpool footage. People wanting to watch a shaky-cam trailer on YouTube, is a lot better than people not giving a shite about your movie. (Apparently, they debuted new Fantastic Four footage at Comic-Con. Ain't nobody talking about that.) They aren't about to stop showing exclusive footage at Comic-Con.


Right. Like Fewer pointed out, I think this is bloggers upset something got out they wanted to keep to themselves.
Posted by Michael J Cocks
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 12:24 pm to
I've never attended one of these events, but you'd think if they valued the exclusivity that much, security would be a lot tighter. It almost feels like they intentionally leak this shite. Like someone above said, it's good for the studios to get that early buzz generated for comic book films. They put a LOT into these trailers and packing 90-120 mins into a solid 2 minute first impression. After watching the Deadpool leaked footage, it seemed almost obvious that they purposely had someone filming it. I mean, it was an encore thing, and the dude basically said "hurry up and get your phones out!"

It really does feel like some scorned blogger bullshite. There's only about 5,000 out of that 6500 member audience that gets butthurt when shite leaks. The other 1500 are prob professional umm leakers that are nudged by the studios to do their thing.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 12:34 pm to
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I've never attended one of these events, but you'd think if they valued the exclusivity that much, security would be a lot tighter.


They're not going to take cell phones away from 7,000 people. They want people tweeting and making this the social media event of the week. The studios know that video will most probably be leaked. It's a part of doing business now.
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 12:36 pm to
"the studios are super pissed about the positive buzz their movies are receiving over this!! "
Posted by Michael J Cocks
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 12:45 pm to
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They're not going to take cell phones away from 7,000 people. They want people tweeting and making this the social media event of the week. The studios know that video will most probably be leaked. It's a part of doing business now.


Exactly. And it happens yearly. If they didn't want it to happen, it wouldn't.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 12:54 pm to
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Imagine working in a job in which you are trying to create something, but halfway through the process someone steals your unfinished work and puts it out into the world.




So so so stupid.


The studios are putting it out there to attract buzz, it's not some lone bohemian working on his magnum opus.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 1:12 pm to
By the way, the Suicide Squad panel was a total surprise. People were there to see Superman V Batman and Pan. It's not like people would've been upset if there'd been no footage shown. There were no actors or footage scheduled to begin with.
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