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re: Diving into the Economics and Politics of the Wizarding World of Harry Potter
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:33 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:33 pm to Dr RC
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I dont see why the money thing is so odd to people. Its very clear throughout the books and movies that wizards dont all have the same powers. Its one of the main reasons Hogwarts separates students into different houses. Certain students excel at some things while being poor at or unable to do others.
Okay this I see but really wouldn't that almost make needing money a negative thing in the wizarding world? If you are talented enough you don't need money because you can create and manipulate things on your own
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:33 pm to Tiger1242
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Also they can apparently track people who use magic (underage wizards), so do they keep tabs on everyone?
If they do how have some bad people been free for so long? They are making kids get licenses for apparating in the 6th book but it's never mentioned again, can they track apparition use?
They don't track everyone, they don't even track all underage wizards/witches. Underage witches and wizards are tracked with "the trace." It only detects if magic is performed near the child, doesn't even have to be the kid (see CoS with Dobby.) It is really only monitored for kids who live with muggle parents, it is up to the wizard families to monitor their children. This was stated in the books. Nothing is known about how or why the trace is put on the kids and why it breaks immediately at 17.
Apparition can only be tracked if a person grabs hold of the person apparating. They require a license due to the dangers of apparating. I think they only time you can get charged with apparating without a license is if you splinch yourself and they have to fix you. They don't track this form of transportation otherwise.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:36 pm to Dam Guide
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They don't track everyone, they don't even track all underage wizards/witches. Underage witches and wizards are tracked with "the trace." It only detects if magic is performed near the child, doesn't even have to be the kid (see CoS with Dobby.) It is really only monitored for kids who live with muggle parents, it is up to the wizard families to monitor their children. This was stated in the books. Nothing is known about how or why the trace is put on the kids and why it breaks immediately at 17.
No I know, my point is that they have the ability to track people and apparently the ability to use it without outrage
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:37 pm to Tiger1242
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Okay this I see but really wouldn't that almost make needing money a negative thing in the wizarding world? If you are talented enough you don't need money because you can create and manipulate things on your own
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said they were just as or maybe even more than us concerned with name brands. Just because you can make a broomstick fly and brew all the potions you want, doesn't mean you want to do it. Paying for the best of the best and competing with the Joneses translates to the wizarding world as well.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:41 pm to Tiger1242
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Okay this I see but really wouldn't that almost make needing money a negative thing in the wizarding world? If you are talented enough you don't need money because you can create and manipulate things on your own
I don't think so. Nobody can specialize in everything, and even if they did (they wouldn't) they might not have time for it. In that way it is similar to the real world. You might as well be asking why real people aren't full independent and very talented people don't perform every service or manufacture every good for themselves.
Even in the wizarding world there are efficiencies and increases in skill/ability that come from specialization.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:43 pm to Tiger1242
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No I know, my point is that they have the ability to track people and apparently the ability to use it without outrage
Maybe there was outrage when the trace was devised, I am not sure she has ever given a history on it. Maybe we are just so far removed from it's origin that it is just accepted as a part of life now.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:43 pm to Dam Guide
Yea I mean that makes the most sense, what doesn't make a lot of sense is that the Weasley's are holding their rickety house together with magic, why don't they just magic themselves a super nice house? I guess you would have to know architecture to do something like that, but I bet they could've got Dumbledore or somebody in the Order to do it for them
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:44 pm to Dam Guide
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Just because you can make a broomstick fly and brew all the potions you want,
Can they? Different skills. They might not be able to make the proper potion or make a broomstick fly, and if they can it might not be safe or as good as if an expert had done the job.
I can make some decent bbq ribs, but if I want something really good, it might be best for the "expert" at the bbq restaurant to do it for me.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:46 pm to Peazey
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I can make some decent bbq ribs, but if I want something really good, it might be best for the "expert" at the bbq restaurant to do it for me.
That is a good point.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:47 pm to Tiger1242
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Yea I mean that makes the most sense, what doesn't make a lot of sense is that the Weasley's are holding their rickety house together with magic, why don't they just magic themselves a super nice house? I guess you would have to know architecture to do something like that, but I bet they could've got Dumbledore or somebody in the Order to do it for them
I am sure she would give some bullshite reason about it's charm and how the parents don't want to change it because it's their home or some shite. She kinda tries to do that by Harry's reaction to it. Harry loves it in comparison to his McMansion nightmare of the Dursleys.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:53 pm to Dam Guide
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Maybe there was outrage when the trace was devised, I am not sure she has ever given a history on it. Maybe we are just so far removed from it's origin that it is just accepted as a part of life now.
Right, my point is why don't they track more bad guys? If they have the ability and they also have the approval to do so, why doesn't everyone who goes into Azkaban get a tracker placed on them? Yes it would have sucked for Sirius, but then again Bellatrix never would've been able to escape and kill him
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:11 pm to Dr RC
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in fact, this actually happened in Goblet of Fire at the World Cup when Krum caught the snitch while Bulgaria was down 160 points to Ireland.
Then Krum was an idiot for catching the snitch
if he knew his team was down by over 150 points, then the last thing he should do is catch the snitch, if anything he should be trying to stop the other team's seeker from catching it
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:30 pm to Ash Williams
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Then Krum was an idiot for catching the snitch
if he knew his team was down by over 150 points, then the last thing he should do is catch the snitch, if anything he should be trying to stop the other team's seeker from catching it
you read the books?
it was heavily implied that Krum saw that his team was getting beat down incredibly bad and decided it was better to get the snitch before the score got even worse.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:35 pm to Dr RC
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you read the books?
it was heavily implied that Krum saw that his team was getting beat down incredibly bad and decided it was better to get the snitch before the score got even worse.
i did read them
but it was years ago
still disagree with krum's decision
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:36 pm to Dr RC
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Right, my point is why don't they track more bad guys? If they have the ability and they also have the approval to do so, why doesn't everyone who goes into Azkaban get a tracker placed on them? Yes it would have sucked for Sirius, but then again Bellatrix never would've been able to escape and kill him
Without understanding how the trace works, I am not sure we can say if it is even possible. She could conveniently say that tracing someone like that isn't possible for "so and so" reason. We just don't know enough.
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it was heavily implied that Krum saw that his team was getting beat down incredibly bad and decided it was better to get the snitch before the score got even worse.
He should of at least tried to let it go until they were down a lot further than 1 shot away from tying. They could of had a lucky shot or two and Krum caught it right then. No real point in catching down 10. I mean if you are going to lose anyway, might as well see what happens.
The other seeker was shite in comparison, Krum handled that arse.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:39 pm to Ash Williams
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still disagree with krum's decision
That fine and all but Krum preferred to stop his team from getting embarrassed any further than it already was. The Bulgarians were getting housed and were falling back on pure thuggery in that match as several penalty chances were awarded to Ireland. Bulgaria was down 170-10 when Krum caught it. They were straight getting destroyed.
Not much different than a boxer's manager throwing in the towel b/c he wants his guy to stop throwing low blows and to avoid further physical damage in a match he clearly has no shot at winning.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:40 pm to Dr RC
Was Krum the one who was really stupid and tried to date Hermione? Or am I remembering that all wrong?
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:44 pm to Peazey
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Was Krum the one who was really stupid and tried to date Hermione? Or am I remembering that all wrong?
it was much more that he was socially awkward than stupid from what i remember in the books.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:56 pm to Dr RC
Yea he couldn't have been that stupid, he was in the Triwizard Tourney
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:59 pm to Tiger1242
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Yea he couldn't have been that stupid, he was in the Triwizard Tourney
I thought the deal with that was that he was incredibly athletically gifted (or whatever the wizarding equivalent of being athletic is), and he had handlers to help him out with the thinking parts.
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