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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/22/15 at 3:16 pm to alajones
Posted on 4/22/15 at 3:16 pm to alajones
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Bran is being used by the Children of the Forest. He will be the force that sets the wights and the others Westeros. So Bran will be either willfully or unknowingly sending death to Westeros at some point, and it is all but assured that Dany, Snow and a yet unknown Targaryen (maybe this new Aegon?) will ride on Dragons and restore order to Westeros.
I just can't see any other way for Bran's story to happen.
I see what you are saying and I knowi'm in the minority in not agreeing. The little history known of the children is that they were a known enemy of the Others and ally of the Humans in the Battle for the Dawn. After defeating the Others, they chose to withdraw from humans until they were north of the Wall. Now I can see that being cause for them to no longer consider man an ally, but the Others bring only death and are a greater evil to the things the children believe in. There is nothing to suggest why they would want the Others to succeed in bringing eternal Darkness. I think there is more to the Bloodraven/Bran storyline than Bran being tricked into trying to destroy every living person in Westeros. Even Bloodraven, despite the fact that albino's seem to be the gingers of Westeros, was never really evil during his life in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the only Great Bastard that sided with the Targaryens in the Blackfure rebellion and was prominent in defeating it.
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 3:30 pm to Mr. Wayne
Have we done Sheira Seastar is Quaithe yet in here? I got a hunch reading about the Great Bastards and nothing being known of what happened to her. Hunch led to this. Oh and apparently Mellisandre is her and Bloodravens love-hillbilly baby. I've fallen down the rabbit hole chasing this one.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 3:37 pm to Mr. Wayne
the _______ is really ________ theories are out of control.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 3:51 pm to blueboy
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the _______ is really ________ theories are out of control.
This is a crackpot thread. Nothing is out of control. And at least a few of these are going to be correct. I'm sure GRRM is going to leave many without us ever knowing for certain.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 4:01 pm to Mr. Wayne
I was talking more about YouTube than this thread, but I also think "without us ever knowing for certain" means that they aren't who we theorized they are.
This is what happens when you take several years to release each novel. The fans get all screwy in the head.
This is what happens when you take several years to release each novel. The fans get all screwy in the head.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 4:02 pm to blueboy
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but I also think "without us ever knowing for certain" means that they aren't who we theorized they are.
bullshite, I'm going to be right in everyone of those situations.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 4:06 pm to Mr. Wayne
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With some of the post from OML, belle, ladytiger, Wayne, etc I feel like I've never read them
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 4/22/15 at 4:17 pm to Mr. Wayne
I think if too many of them turn out to be true, it would be kind of ridiculous.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 5:32 pm to jrodLSUke
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It's basically the story of the Lost Dauphin; which fits Martin's usual MO of basing his stories on historical events. I really like the addition and feel it plays perfectly with the theme of the Three Headed Dargon; it takes nothing away from the Dany/Jon Song of Ice and Fire.
What makes it a bad twist is it just came out of nowhere with no clues and no indication of it being a legitimate possibility. It seems unlikely that it could have been pulled off, and it just makes it feel like GRRM needed to pull a third dragon out of his arse. I'm not saying he did, but it seems unlike him to pull something like this with no real evidence.
Unless, of course, he's a fraud and a Blackfyre.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 5:36 pm to blueboy
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I think if too many of them turn out to be true, it would be kind of ridiculous.
Agreed. A big twist here and there is great. But there's certainly a point where it stops being clever and starts being annoying. I don't think many of the theories are valid, though.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 7:27 pm to ohiovol
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Unless, of course, he's a fraud and a Blackfyre.
Based on the popular theory for Faegon, he might be a pretender but he is not a Blackfyre. Being the son of Illyrio Mopatis and Serra would make Faegon a Mopatis. Even if Serra was a descendant of the Blackfyre line, that makes Faegon just as much of a Targaryen as a Blackfyre. Red or black don't matter.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:52 pm to jrodLSUke
The Blackfyre line started from a sister wife of Baelor(so basically a queen and a full blooded Targ) and another Targaryen Aegon the Unworthy who would become king. It's pure dragon blood and pure royalty.
I also believe that Daeron was the son of Aegons wife and Kingsguard Aemon the Dragonknight making him not of the Royal line per say. So then every line thereafter, especially all the mixing with the Martells makes everyone in the line of Daeron less worthy and less Targ than the Blackfyre line of Daemon.
The king who bore the sword, son of the Targaryen queen of Baelor Deanna the Defiant and King Aegon IV, legitimized and bearing the sword Blackfyre. If Aegon is truly a Blackfyre, then to me he has more blood claim to the throne than Dany herself and her three bloody dragons.
I also believe that Daeron was the son of Aegons wife and Kingsguard Aemon the Dragonknight making him not of the Royal line per say. So then every line thereafter, especially all the mixing with the Martells makes everyone in the line of Daeron less worthy and less Targ than the Blackfyre line of Daemon.
The king who bore the sword, son of the Targaryen queen of Baelor Deanna the Defiant and King Aegon IV, legitimized and bearing the sword Blackfyre. If Aegon is truly a Blackfyre, then to me he has more blood claim to the throne than Dany herself and her three bloody dragons.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:51 pm to WalkingTurtles
It's not about pure blood. It's about randomly introducing the supposed heir to the throne in the fifth book with a lame plot twist.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:21 pm to ohiovol
For me, one of the few compelling parts of the whole Aegon storyline is Connington.
I really pretty much hope Aegon is a fake because that would mean Connington has failed Rhaegar once again and I think that would cement him as one of the legitimately tragic figures of the whole saga.
I really pretty much hope Aegon is a fake because that would mean Connington has failed Rhaegar once again and I think that would cement him as one of the legitimately tragic figures of the whole saga.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:37 pm to Methuselah
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I really pretty much hope Aegon is a fake because that would mean Connington has failed Rhaegar once again and I think that would cement him as one of the legitimately tragic figures of the whole saga.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Jon Snow and Jon Connington have the same first name, at least from a narrative perspective. I think that when Aegon finally conquers King's Landing, Connington will know that something is off with this whole thing, particularly with Aegon. I think when Connington takes up his position as Hand of the King, he'll start reading letters sent from around the realm. He then picks up a letter from Jon Snow, and reads that the Wall has fallen to the Others and to send all troops to defend the realm. Connington is dismayed and shocked by the letter and takes it seriously, but becomes bitter that this was Ned Stark's bastard son, who made him lose the Battle of the Bells singlehandedly, and that his sister made him lose Rhaegar. But then he looks at Jon's name and finds it odd that they have the same name after his and Ned's history together, and then he think he figures it out: Jon is Rhaegar's rightful heir and son and he named him Jon to be a hint to Connington in case he died.
Connington goes off to kill Varys for the betrayal, but he begins to stumble and cough up blood. As he does this, Varys walks into the room and thanks Connington for his foolishness in helping House Blackfyre seat the rightful heir to the throne in Aegon. He then vows to Connington that he will wipe out the remaining Targaryens in Dany and Jon. Cannington then dies thinking he failed the man he loved and protected the wrong son that he named after him.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:40 pm to OMLandshark
OML I purposefully skipped the Littlefinger one thinking nah... That's for shark
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:44 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
Yeah. That would certainly be very GRRM-like. I actually have some sympathy for Connington and his misbegotten life.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 6:34 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I see what you are saying and I knowi'm in the minority in not agreeing. The little history known of the children is that they were a known enemy of the Others and ally of the Humans in the Battle for the Dawn. After defeating the Others, they chose to withdraw from humans until they were north of the Wall. Now I can see that being cause for them to no longer consider man an ally, but the Others bring only death and are a greater evil to the things the children believe in. There is nothing to suggest why they would want the Others to succeed in bringing eternal Darkness. I think there is more to the Bloodraven/Bran storyline than Bran being tricked into trying to destroy every living person in Westeros. Even Bloodraven, despite the fact that albino's seem to be the gingers of Westeros, was never really evil during his life in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the only Great Bastard that sided with the Targaryens in the Blackfure rebellion and was prominent in defeating it.
yep I agree. In the show they are fighting off Wights (Leaf is) to help get them in the cave to see Bloodraven. IF Bloodraven is bad I still think Bran will/would turn on him after he learns what he needs to learn from him. I think all Starks come back and do special things even if they die in the attempt. Those things can be bad, but for revenge and the wrongs that they've incurred
Posted on 4/23/15 at 6:42 pm to WalkingTurtles
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If Aegon is truly a Blackfyre, then to me he has more blood claim to the throne than Dany herself and her three bloody dragons.
Her Dad was killed while King, and the Baratheon kids are Lannisters. The heir is Dany if you go immediate line, Jon before her if he's Rheagar's kid. If you follow Baratheon its Stan-the-man.
Then you throw Faegon in all that shite if you believe that's all true.
I wish I knew if Gurm is being confusing to be confusing or if he himself is just confused
Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:00 am to putt23
Think broader, the line of Dany and her father and such since Aegon IV has been mixed with Martell and the like and that Daeron II was not the actual son of Aegon IV. Daemon Blackfyre was the actual son of Aegon IV and Queen Deanna the Defiant who was the wife of Baelor the Blessed.
The point is that the Blackfyre blood is strong and perhaps the rightful Royal line.
The point is that the Blackfyre blood is strong and perhaps the rightful Royal line.
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