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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 3/6/14 at 11:19 pm to
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 11:19 pm to
It seems to me like that's where we are headed. But then again I figured Ned Stark was the hero in this story when I was reading AGOT. Nope. I was wrong. Then I thought ok his son Robb is a badass fighter and he will avenge his fathers death. Nope. Wrong again.

It is called A Song of ICE and FIRE. Jon is Ice. Dany is FIRE. I would hate that myself because I think Jon deserves so much better and I don't really wanna see him on the Throne at the end. Possibly our only saving grace is this vision Dany has in the House of the Undying--

"a man who looked like Viserys, but taller and with darker eyes, who says to a woman nursing a baby, "Aegon…What better name for a king…He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; and when the man’s eyes meet Dany’s, he says either to her or the woman with the baby, "There must be one more…The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play"
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 11:25 pm
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 11:27 pm to
I know incest is chill either the targs but that would be too much for me.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 11:28 pm to
What do you think this Dany vision means then if we are to believe her baby was a half dragon deformity?

"a tall lord with copper skin and silver hair bearing the banner of a fiery stallion"

I think it's Rhaego grown up
Posted by The Dude Abides
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 12:15 am to
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It is called A Song of ICE and FIRE. Jon is Ice. Dany is FIRE.
I disagree with that. Lyanna is Ice. Rhaeger is Fire.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 1:05 am to
Hodor is BOTH.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 1:28 am to
The 7 book series is not about Lyanna and Rhaegar
Posted by Analyze That
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 1:29 am to
Hodor is many things
Posted by The Dude Abides
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 3:31 am to
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The 7 book series is not about Lyanna and Rhaegar
No but it's about the aftermath of their union, is it not? The song is not yet concluded.
This post was edited on 3/7/14 at 3:36 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 5:18 am to
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I have read TP&TQ. I know Rhaenyra had a scaly baby just like Dany. But is it mere coincidence or did Mirri not cause the stillbirth? Because Rhaenyra's baby was still born as well.


I think it's possible when a Targ has a baby in extreme anger, despair, or grief that it could have an effect on the birth. Mirri may have had a hand in it, I'm not sure. But I found it very interesting that they had similar babies that didn't survive.

As far as what Dany saw, in the House of the Undying she saw the past, present, and future. I think she simply was seeing what might have been. And seeing that the Warlocks wanted to keep her there, that'd be a pretty good way to do so.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 8:17 am to
No comments on the GoT rap songs?

I'm shocked "Hodor" isn't the title of one of them/have Hodor saying Hodor in one of the songs:

King Slayer-Wale

quote:

1. Big Boi - "Mother of Dragons"
2. Magazeen - "Iron Throne"
3. Bodega Bamz - "Win or Die"
4. Kilo Kish - "Magical Reality"
5. Daddy Yankee - "Born to Rule"
6. Dominik Omega - "Arya's Prayer"
7. Snow - "Fire"
8. Dee Goodz - "The Parallel"
9. Common - "Interlude/The Ladder"
10. Wale - "King Slayer"

Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 1:20 pm to
In Dany's vision she sees what I believe to be Rhaegar and Lyanna giving birth to Jon Snow and he says "his will be the song of ice and fire"

So to me that means that the Song of Ice and Fire is at least not about R & L. I think its really about Jon Snow being the result of R & L but I can see where it may lead people to believe it means Jon Snow(Ice) ends up with Dany(Fire)
This post was edited on 3/7/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 1:21 pm to
I watched a couple. Not into rap so they didn't pique my interest
Posted by Josh Fenderman
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

I think it's Rhaego grown up

Yes, or what would have happened if he had been born.
Posted by Josh Fenderman
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

In Dany's vision she sees what I believe to be Rhaegar and Lyanna giving birth to Jon Snow and he says "his will be the song of ice and fire"

Pretty sure that vision is of Rhaegar and Elia, the baby he is referring to is Aegon. He says there must be a third head and that is the beginning of meeting with Lyanna to have Jon.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 1:53 pm to
I'm almost positive it was Rhaegar and Elia with baby Aegon in that vision. If R+L = J, Lyanna would be near death after the birth...or on the express to death, anyway.

The many aspects represented by the title ASoIaF are what makes it so well-chosen. It could be about Jon Snow, the Targs and the Starks, the Others and the dragons, the sword Ice and it's eventual re-forging ( a very Tolkienesque touch if so) etc...

I think the title reflects the forging itself...people, civilization and the trials and betrayals, relationships and love...mostly that it takes these two destructive forces used properly to create steel, a substance stronger than the combined effects of both.

Goes back to Howard's Conan and the whole "mystery of steel"- we know GRRM a big fan - the truth is steel isn't power, flesh is power, but it takes steel to control it.

Something like that, anyhow.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 2:04 pm to
I'm not into rap either but I'm going to download all the songs anyway .

All 10 songs are out now

"frick tha Lannisters and everybody ride wid em Jon Snow and the Night's Watch gonna slap some iron in them"
This post was edited on 3/7/14 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 2:43 pm to
I agree that the title is outstanding because it could mean many things.

So with the "dragon has 3 heads" prophecy that we hear in more than one instance does that give anybody hope that maybe fAegon is not a fake?

And if not who you got for your 3 heads to the dragon?
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 2:47 pm to
I tend to think Aegon is a Blackfyre/not the real Aegon. I think the 3rd head of the dragon will be a wildcard, but I'd love to see Bran warg them.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 2:52 pm to
II think Aegon in the vision was real, but this kid claiming I be him is not real.

Dany, Jon and Jaime are my 3 heads.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4249 posts
Posted on 3/7/14 at 2:57 pm to
If Jamie is then wouldn't Cercei be as well?

I do believe Jamie and Cercei are Aerys bastards btw
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