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Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by Paedin
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:32 pm to
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Without getting into detail, the thing that pisses me off about Rothfuss is his inability to tell a tight story. Perhaps he's using that to indicate how Kvothe embellishes or gets stuck on a topic that he particularly likes, but Jesus frick chapter after chapter is devoted to side stories that have very little point.


I think that is part of the point of the way the books are told. This a guy sitting in a bar talking to a guy writing his biography. Its not a linear story with a begining middle end type deal. Kvothe has 50 names each with a story to tell.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:40 pm to
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Without getting into detail, the thing that pisses me off about Rothfuss is his inability to tell a tight story. Perhaps he's using that to indicate how Kvothe embellishes or gets stuck on a topic that he particularly likes, but Jesus frick chapter after chapter is devoted to side stories that have very little point.


The only reason I continue to read Rothfuss' is because of his brilliant (and I mean that, brilliant) prose and incredible imagination.

His story, when you actually look at what it is and what's taken place over the span of two books is ridiculous. Don't even get me started on the (SPOILERS)







Random orgy magic sex god part in the second book
Posted by FootballNostradamus
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:46 pm to
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Raven's Shadow book 1 (Blood Song) is the best book out any of the books in any of those 3 series. Yes, it's better than Name of the Wind. But Raven's Shadow peters out in book 3. It is still a good book, but books 1 is a masterwork and book 2 is legitimately great. Book 3, the finale, just bites off more than it can chew.


Spot on with Blood Song. I read that book in about a day and a half. As a stand-alone or origin story I put it up there among any ever written, period, end of story. My mind was legit blown after it. I think you're being nice on book 2 and incredibly kind on book 3. Book 2 was eh, and book 3 was a mess for most of it.

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Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear are both better books than any of the Red Rising Trilogy or any other book Ravens Shadow except Blood Song. But Rothfuss has gone full blown GRRM on this series and there is no clear date for finishing the series in sight.

Red Rising is a wonderfully fun series that is well realized and complete and ends well. It is not going to blow you away with its inventiveness or writing, but it will sweep you up in an epic tale with characters with whom you can relate, though not nearly as well the characters in the other series.


Personally I think you're way understating Red Rising. Yes the first book felt Hunger Games-ish, but the second and third were anything but. I also felt the characters in it were so damn well-done and layered. There were times you almost pulled for the antagonist or felt bad for them. That's very tough to do. I also thought it had some incredibly strong twists.

Personally, given that Kingkiller is not complete, I'd rank them:

1. Red Rising
2. Ravens Shadow
3. Kingkiller

Kingkiller has the highest ceiling of all if he wraps it up well, but right now Red Rising is without a doubt the best series that is on-point, well-written, and well-thought-out for the entirety of the series.
Posted by SetTheMood
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:00 pm to
Recently finished Red Rising trilogy, Kingkiller Chronicles, Blood Song, and I'm currently reading the Harry Dresden stuff.

I'd rank them as far as series go:
1) Kingkiller - Rothfuss is a primadonna and he may never finish the series.
2) Red Rising
3) Blood Song - I almost quit reading the third book...

From that perspective, read Red Rising because there's a start and a finish.

Also, Jim Butcher's Codex Alera series is very good, and it's a 5 or 6 book series that is FINISHED. I really enjoyed it.

Another quick and easy one is the Shattered Sea Trilogy by Joe Abercrombie. Not a large a world as First Law series, but good nonetheless.

If you like high fantasy, you need to read the Dragonlance Chronicles by Weiss and Hickman. They are required reading in my household.

Like everyone else said, all of Cornwell's novels are good, I preferred the Grail Quest series the best.

You should also read everything that Sanderson has ever written. And the Locke Lamora series.

If you're into apocalyptic vampire stuff, Justin Cronin's The Passage series is excellent.

Brent Weeks Lightbringer series is great, but not complete, and the Night Angel Series is good and very dark. As is Mark Lawrence's Prince of Thornes (my least favorite, along with the Blood Song series).
Posted by crash1211
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 4:35 pm to
The Michael Moorcock Elrick books very short, but pretty good reads.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 5:34 pm to
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The only reason I continue to read Rothfuss' is because of his brilliant (and I mean that, brilliant) prose and incredible imagination.


Same here. Because there are some real problems with his writing but they are easy to overlook. Kvothe is a classic case of Aspergers or more accurately someone wrtiting from that perspective; and it's not a surprise that Rothfuss started in Chemical Engineering.

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Random orgy magic sex god part in the second book


Yeah, he's losing it at this point. And the whole Denna story line is just completely pissing me off by the end of book two. But it's much more accurate for someone like Rothfuss than the sex goddess bit. It looks to me like the positive reviews of the first book went to Rothfuss's head and he's entirely lost his way in the narrative.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:53 pm to
In the same fantasy genre I'll suggest The Riyria Chronicles or Riyria Revelations by Michael Sullivan.


You can read in published order or chronological. Riyaria Chronicles is one of the best done prequel series I've read. Each of the prequels can be a stand-alone novel. Hadrian and Royce are great characters.

Published order:
Riyria Revelations
1. Theft of Swords
2. Rise of Empire
3. Heir of Novron

Chronicles
1. The Crown Tower
2. The Rose and the Thorn
3. The Death of Dulgath

Plus if you're the audiobook type, Tim Gerard Reynolds is a fantastic narrator. Same guy that did Red Rising.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 9:56 pm
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:43 pm to
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I think you're being nice on book 2 and incredibly kind on book 3. Book 2 was eh, and book 3 was a mess for most of it.


Eh. I just disagree. I thought Tower Lord was great and bordered on fantastic. It opened the world up and explored the mythology which I thought was unique and well imagined. Far more so than Rothfuss and more interesting than the well trod Red Rising series (which isn't too disparage Red Rising, it's a wonderful series). Plus, the characters became either more intriguing or were introduced as intriguing.

Book 3 is just one of those finales that should've been 2 books to appropriately wrap up a series. Too much was introduced at the end. The exact same thing will be said if Rothfuss finishes Kingkiller in only one more book.

That's why Red Rising is so worth the read.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:33 am to
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The Riyria Chronicles or Riyria Revelations by Michael Sullivan.


Excellent book series that finished well. I'd recommend the OP read this or the First Law series over anything else mentioned in thread.

If you wind up liking Abercrombie a bunch I'd check out Mark Lawrence's books, he's very similar in tone to Abercrombie with dark humor and gritty style.

Brent Weeks is very good too.

If the OP is interested in high magic stuff like Wheel of Time I'd suggest Steven Erickson's Tales of Malazan the Fallen, which are excellent.


Rothfuss is decent but I've never got the extreme love, particularly for the the second book. Wise Mans Fear is basically half filled with the author wanking on the page and performing wish fulfillment, and no plot to speak of.

Oh look, I'll casually mention this thing that happened that sounds really cool and gloss over it. Instead we'll spend 200 pages on my virgin character being super awesome at sex for no reason.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 1:39 am
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:20 am to
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Like everyone else said, all of Cornwell's novels are good, I preferred the Grail Quest series the best.


This looks interesting, thinking of checking it out!

My biggest critique with any fantasy series is how few are finished (or finished in a reasonable number of books). Maybe it's my ADHD, but I get so frustrated with how few series are completed or how many span 11-12 books. I know some of these guys have endless imaginations, but come on folks. I also hate when they break them up into 3-4 series that never really end and just continue endlessly spinning off into the next with no resolution.

I think that's why I am so positive with my reviews towards Red Rising. It's just such a complete, well-thought-out and executed series. Maybe it doesn't have the ceiling and absolute peak that some others do, but it's executed about as well as any series I've read in a while.

Some of these other guys may be trying to put together the steak and lobster dinner but it's a little overcooked or it's delayed, but the Red Rising trilogy is like a perfectly cooked pot-roast or rib dinner. It might not have the technical proficiency of some other dish, but if it's cooked perfectly frick you if you don't love it.
Posted by Cole Beer
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:22 am to
The Hike by Drew Magary
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:23 am to
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Kvothe is a classic case of Aspergers or more accurately someone wrtiting from that perspective; and it's not a surprise that Rothfuss started in Chemical Engineering.


Definitely. He looks at a magic system the way one would look at molecular attraction and the reactionary properties of elements. It's incredibly fascinating and well-done, but damn I almost wish someone with a decent sense of plot, pacing, and action would co-author it with him (I know it would never happen but I'd love it).

I will say, though, the dude's writing is unreal. The imagery he is able to create at times is incredible. I don't know if I've ever read someone who was able to write sounds so well. I can hear every note of the scenes when Kvothe is playing music when I read Rothfuss' prose. It's incredible.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:26 am to
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Eh. I just disagree. I thought Tower Lord was great and bordered on fantastic. It opened the world up and explored the mythology which I thought was unique and well imagined. Far more so than Rothfuss and more interesting than the well trod Red Rising series (which isn't too disparage Red Rising, it's a wonderful series). Plus, the characters became either more intriguing or were introduced as intriguing.


Fair enough. I didn't love the way he took the overall concept of the magic system. I did REALLY love the addition of Denna (think that's her name, been a while since I read it). I thought she was an awesome character, but I thought some of the other new ones were just eh. They were well-done, but I thought it go too far from Vaelin and his compadres at times which I knew it had to do as they grew older but it still went too far at times for me.

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Book 3 is just one of those finales that should've been 2 books to appropriately wrap up a series. Too much was introduced at the end. The exact same thing will be said if Rothfuss finishes Kingkiller in only one more book.



Yea I have no clue how Rothfuss will end his series. Part of me wants him to split it into two so he can do it well, but then another part of me wants to be able to read the ending before I die .

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That's why Red Rising is so worth the read.


Completely agree. As mentioned, maybe not as high of a ceiling but perfectly executed and completed.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:04 pm to
Cornwell is historical fiction and not so much fantasy, with the possible exception of the Grail Quest which I haven't read yet. But he's good about pumping out a book per year and concluding series. His Saxon series is I think 9 books now and fairly concluded.
Posted by Big Chipper
Charlotte, NC
Member since Sep 2008
2765 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:25 pm to
All multi book series:

Brandon Sanderson - Stormlight Archive
Brent Weeks - Lightbringer Series
Scott Lynch - Gentlemen Bastards
Brian McClellan - Powder Mage Trilogy
Brian Stavely - Chronicles of the Unhewn Throne
Daniel Abraham - Dagger and the Coin
Daniel Polansky - Low Town
Angus Watson - Iron Age
David Dalglish - Shadowdance
Douglas Hulick - Tale of the Kin
Mark Lawrence - Broken Empire & Red Queen's War
Michael J Sullivan - Riyria Chronicles
Peter V Brett - Warded Man
Phil Tucker - Chronicles of the Black Gate
R Scott Bakker - Prince of Nothing
Richard K Morgan - A Land Fit For Heroes
Rob J Hayes - The Ties That Bind
Posted by Ash Williams
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:44 pm to
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Kingkiller Chronicles
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:35 pm to
I just started Ready Player One. Heard great things. Good so far.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 9:27 pm to
Thanks for the advice everyone!

I decided to go with the Raven's Shadow trilogy. I'll probably give First Law a chance after this
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 9:29 pm to


Very enjoyable...if you like non-fiction.
Posted by TigerTate
NC
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:28 pm to
No love for Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen? Long long series, kinda lost its way but great characters and great ending.
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