re: Batman V Superman TV Spot 4 - Spoilers in this thread

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the movie is going to be all over the place trying to introduce 5 main story heros and villains in one movie is insane.


The recipe that doomed Spider Man 3 and The Amazing Spider Man 2.

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It's my understanding that Batman is really the only one that gets a lot of origin focus. Superman is not being introduced. He's already been established. They won't be going into Wonder Woman's origin because she has a movie coming out soon. I've heard from people that Aquaman will have two VERY brief appearances and that Cyborg and Flash will only be in a post credits scene (at least in costume). We'll see. They could be wrong. Batman will be the main focus of the movie. One could argue that maybe they should have just made a stand alone Batman movie first. Personally I think we've had enough of those for awhile. One could also argue that Wonder Woman could have been left out. I would tend to agree with that, but let's see how they handle it. Who knows. Batman being the main focus is probably the best way to go. We'll see.

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My problem is this doesn't quite have the Avenger setup; we know who Superman is because he just fought Zod, we "know" who Batman is because of the Nolan trilogy (it might be a little different, but it's still fresh in our minds). But who the hell is Wonder Woman? Is she just Captain America with boobs (the shield scene), or is she legitimately near her comic book level? Either way, Avengers had all the team established, and this doesn't.

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How many movies do you go into already knowing all of the characters? This year we had Spotlight, The Big Short, Mad Max Fury Road... all ensemble movies. We didn't know anything about any of the characters prior to these movies, yet they were all awesome films.

For some insane reason, people believe that comic book movies should now require that every character have their own solo feature film before they appear on screen in someone else's movie. Even though we have repeatedly had successful superhero team movies that include characters that have never been on screen before.

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For some insane reason, people believe that comic book movies should now require that every character have their own solo feature film before they appear on screen in someone else's movie. Even though we have repeatedly had successful superhero team movies that include characters that have never been on screen before.

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Good point, but the Wonder Woman issue is pretty damn big. If she's at her comic book level, we're talking about a character that if Superman wasn't present, might be the most powerful person on the planet, and would easily kick Batman's arse. All of his speculation about Superman would apply to her too, other than the fact that she has not fought and defeated an alien assault bent on destroying the planet.

To include her into this film will be interesting. If she's just tossed in randomly and powered up would be bad. To present her as just an athletic chick with some neat toys would be pretty bad, too, as it wastes a prime character. She's NOT just a supporting character; or shouldn't be.

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How do you know we won't get an explanation of where she comes from?

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Because she is getting her own standalone movie that DC has said will be her origin.

I think they will go the Vision route with her and briefly explain where she came from and why she is there. I don't expect too much backstory at all.

To the average person (>50% of the people who will see this), they don't know Wonder Woman, Doomsday, Aquaman, Cyborg, or any other rumored characters. My wife and I were watching the special last week and I had to explain to her all of those characters and Suicide Squad.

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I think they will go the Vision route with her and briefly explain where she came from and why she is there. I don't expect too much backstory at all.

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And I personally have no problem with that. A lot of these characters will be a mystery and will get a standalone movie. My wife had no idea who many of the X-Men and MCU characters were when they were introduced, but they introduce them in a way that doesn't ruin the movie. It's possible to do it right and we've seen examples of that. For people to say that having a lot of characters in a movie is a mistake is unmerited, IMO. The only thing that matters is what they choose to focus the story on. They have to have one main focus with all of the characters supporting that central plot.

My point is, it's not the end of the world to have a lot of characters. It's how those characters are presented.

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I also don't rate them as anywhere near the level of Wonder Woman in order of importance to their respective universes.

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I agree. I also think Wonder Woman is pretty well known. I think most people know who she is. Someone said 50%. I would say it's more like 70%-80% of people who see the movie will know who she is.

With that being said, I think this movie would have been just fine with just Batman and Superman. I do agree that Wonder Woman being in it was an interesting choice, but I don't completely discredit the movie for attempting it. I'm interested to see how things play out.

Do you have a link?

I'll check it out. I really hope they don't release any major spoilers to the media.

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I'll check it out. I really hope they don't release any major spoilers to the media.

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They actually included them in the teasers, but I guess no one (including myself) even noticed. If there was a spoiler tag on the OP subject line, I'd link the pictures.