re: Avenger: AoU Reviews (**MAJOR SPOILERS**)

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In the final trailer he was talking about how people would look to the sky and see hope... then finish it off by saying. "I think I'll take that from them first."

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sounds like Bane in TDKR. 2 disappointing villains

I don't understand all this hate for Ultron.

What more did you want?


He beat the shite out of Cap, IM, Thor, and Vision. His second formed body was badass until Vision (a god with an infinity gem), Thor(a lightening god), and Iron man in his most advanced suit attacked him.

He made an engine that picked up a square mile of a city and was going to smash it into earth like a meteor to end life.

He killed Quicksilver.

He turned the world against the avengers and the avengers against each other. He cause two major city destructions.

What more did yall want?

That's easy. One infinity stone can affect another.

Tesseract contained the space stone. Scepter contained the mind stone.

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the epic trailers left with an empty feeling

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A good description.

I have said all along that Ultron was underutilized in this movie.

The biggest problem with this movie is it follows Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier really showed what a properly developed Marvel movie could look like. There was no points in that movie where you felt like you had to simply suspend belief because it was a "comic book movie".

Ultron was not developed what-so-ever. If you say they didn't have time that's fine. They could have started the development in any IM movie, Avengers 1.. But they seemingly decided on him at the last minute and wrote his storyline in day or two(or what it watched like)

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There was no points in that movie where you felt like you had to simply suspend belief because it was a "comic book movie".

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But they are comic book movies. With aliens and superheros and super powers and gods and AI. You should have to suspend belief. It is what makes them fun. Watching the Hulk smash shite and Iron Man in the Hulkbuster and Thor with his Hammer and Cap with his shield, it's what makes the movies fun.

I don't want to watch a movie that tries to jam superheros into a realistic world. I'm so tired of that.

But we wont agree. I didnt like WS all that much. It's not in my top 4 Marvel Movies.

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Ultron was not developed what-so-ever.

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What did you want? Honestly? An origin movie for Ultron before they faught him? Banner and Stark had thought of Ultron before, they had tried before, they finally got the tech to do it. Did you want to watch two science nerds discuss the specifics behind his creation for 3 hours?

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The biggest problem with this movie is it follows Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier really showed what a properly developed Marvel movie could look like. There was no points in that movie where you felt like you had to simply suspend belief because it was a "comic book movie".

Ultron was not developed what-so-ever. If you say they didn't have time that's fine. They could have started the development in any IM movie, Avengers 1.. But they seemingly decided on him at the last minute and wrote his storyline in day or two(or what it watched like)

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Well... I mean... when the movie advertise villain is a walking talking robot... I think a suspension of belief is a requirement. You know and remind yourself "Oh right, a comic book movie."

Just saying.

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Presenting a villain in 10 minutes and him not being any more developed by the end of the movie than the first 10 minutes is shitty storytelling to me.

But you're right, it doesn't seem we'll agree. I never said the movie was bad. It was fun at times, and had some great storylines. But still left with a sour taste for what it could have been.

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Now this I agree with, but mainly because the Ultron advertise in these two trailer was not the one I got from the movie.

At no point in those trailer was he a chatty katy that was humorous. He was gonna frick shite up and it felt like it.

A couple of thoughts about Ultron:

- for those who are bemoaning the fact that man v. machine or Artificial Intelligence turning against humanity is not original: That may be true but of course Ultron's origins in the comics date back to 1968. It's just that they took almost 50 years to get it on film. So I'm sure there were sci fi tales before that but there were a whole lot that came after that and Ultron can't rightly be accused of being a rip off of those.

- I would have liked it if they had explored Ultron's having Stark's characteristics a little more. They made some reference to it but I wish they would have gone ahead and said Stark used his (or Banner's or a combination) brain patterns or something. That give the character an added dimension for me. Or heck, maybe they did throw in something like that and I missed it?

- Oh and I kinda wish his big play had not been a Gravitron signature move but that didn't really bother me. Plus it was pretty cool looking.

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Zemo - and maybe a thunderbolts spinoff - that could be fun.

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Also Crossbones. I wonder if they are going to carry out a certain story arc from the comics in the Civil War movie.

What I Liked/Enjoyed/Excited About:

Most of the action scenes and special FX. I’m an avid comic reader. Almost any comic book hero they put on the big screen makes me happy and feel like a kid.

Vision – the way he acted and looked. I think they nailed his looks and personality perfectly. He seemed to come straight off the pages of an Avengers comic.

I’m glad they spent a little time showing all the Infinity Stones. Reminded me of the scene in GotG when they were shown all the stones. Thanos getting his hands on the Infinity Stones and using them is one of my favorite arcs in comic books.

War Machine and Falcon. Wish they shown them more, but I understand.

Really like the new Avengers line up. Reminds me of when the original line up changed in the comics back in the 60’s. They went from the some of the most powerful super beings on the planet to the not as powerful on the planet. Which leads to….

At the end when Cap and Widow recognize this and know they have to be more of a team, train as a team and use team work.

Disliked/Distractions:

Ultron’s personality. I’m on board with others in saying I didn’t like his witty banter. So he was programed by Stark. So was Jarvis and he doesn’t have Stark’s snarky/witty mannerisms. And because of Ultron’s witty personality, I like he didn’t really emit fear or evil. In other words, he wasn’t a scary villain. Which to me is disappointing.

I didn’t like the way they are already putting Falcon low on the hero list. As in, why only have War Machine help fight Ultron’s puppets. I think it would have been better if Falcon was fighting alongside him, not Iron Man.

As others have said, seemed like a good number of things seemed to be either very poorly explained, quickly explained in one sentence or not explained at all. I get they only have a limited amount of time to tell the story, but the MCU has so many other outlets they could have utilized. And the more I think about it, the more I’m wondering “wait….. Where did that come from” or “when did that happen”.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m getting kind of tired with the mind control deal. Yea I get it’s in comic books, but to this degree. Example: Avengers1 – Avengers fight each other because of the influence of Loki’s staff. Avengers AoU – Avengers fight each other because of influence of Loki’s staff and Scarlet Witch. Which leads to……………..

I walked out feeling like the basics of the movie was a rehash of Avengers 1. And I get it, the formula worked very well in Avengers-1. But there just seemed to be too many similarities between the two.

But all these are just my opinion. I do think a 7/10 is a fair assessment. I had a great time watching it and will see it again on the big screen.