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re: Avenger: AoU Reviews (**MAJOR SPOILERS**)
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:30 pm to jeff5891
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:30 pm to jeff5891
quote:also throw in that Rogers says "sure works a lot like a Hydra weapon". Doctor says " can't protect yourself against yourself. IM and Banner search for the tesseract using the same energy signature as the scepter.
Any theories on the AI/ program surrounding the mind stone being a construct from the tesseract since the doctor said the scepter was part of it. Thats how it was able to penetrate the barrier in the first film.
One of the reasons I felt like the sceptor from the first movie was retconned
Really feels more like they retconned it.
Or the gem surrounding the mind stone was made from the energy of the tesseract
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 2:35 pm
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:31 pm to jeff5891
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Any theories on the AI/ program surrounding the mind stone being a construct from the tesseract since the doctor said the scepter was part of it. Thats how it was able to penetrate the barrier in the first film.
He never said it WAS connected. He said it used the same kind of energy. So they thought it was. It is possible I suppose. That they used the Tesseract's power to transfer the consciousness of a living being into the scepter. However the power to run it more than likely would have come from the stone.
Unless it was a combination weapon. Was powered by the tesseract but the mind stone was its Hard drive as it were, and the "AI"(living consciousness of a being) was its system/interface.
Edit: It being powered by the tesseract would make for an interesting thought line. Maybe that truly was what Thanos wanted, more so than the earth's destruction. He needed the tesseract, not just for the glove, but to create more weapons like the scepter. Living weapons that have their own will and inherent abilities due to using the individual stones, until he collects them all.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:39 pm to VaBamaMan
The amount of hoops everyone is having to jump through to explain Ultron and the scepter are starting to make me realize how poorly AoU was written.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:44 pm to RedPants
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The amount of hoops everyone is having to jump through to explain Ultron and the scepter are starting to make me realize how poorly AoU was written.
oh use bout ta get itPosted on 5/4/15 at 2:46 pm to RedPants
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The amount of hoops everyone is having to jump through to explain Ultron and the scepter are starting to make me realize how poorly AoU was written.
Or how well. I don't feel like it is a bunch of hoops. I just think I am having to use a lot of examples to further prove my theory. There are a ton of things that point to what I am saying as being correct.
A) I think them having to drastically cut the movie really screwed it up. We won't know for awhile what is in there.
B) The stuff with the "AI" and the scepter is so subtle, that it got buried by everything else being over the top. Which also makes me think it was a bigger deal. Subtle and quiet in a movie this loud is not an accident.
For me at least, my theory feels like a gear slipped into place where everything makes a lot more sense. With both Avenger movies. I just understand it better than anyone because I've been developing it and talking about it since Friday evening.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:48 pm to VaBamaMan
quote:so subtle it's like it's not even there...oh wait
so subtle
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:48 pm to Baloo
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As a kid, I didn't have much time for Captain America. I thought him to be boring do-gooder.
I agree in part. I was the same way, until I started reading him. He filled a void left by Superman. Especially after the Death of Superman. There was something about him that i can't really nail down as a kid.....
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But the Brubaker comics and his portrayal in the MCU have made him one of my favorite characters (and I will point out the other thing that changed is me -- I'm older and no longer see his idealism in such a poor light).
And now I just dig everything about him. I think the films have done him well, particularly AoU.
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But the very best thing about Captain America is this uncertainty, underscored by his trust in people. Not just Americans, but people. Captain America has an unwavering faith in the goodness of humanity, despite everything he has seen. He tells Falcon he doesn't know what to do, but, here's the cool part, he still trusts Falcon to do the right thing. Cap would never build an AI behind people's back (for several reasons), but mainly because he doesn't believe in making decisions without other people. He values everyone.
He's also a man out of time, disconnected and alone. Which makes his faith in people even more remarkable. He's not giving lectures on the Greatest Generation, he believes that people haven't changed.
Exactly.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:49 pm to RedPants
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The amount of hoops everyone is having to jump through to explain Ultron and the scepter are starting to make me realize how poorly AoU was written.
all comic book movies have huge plot holes. the problem with AoU wasn't the plot holes, it was the absence of a plot. The little plot that was there was used just to show wanton destruction.
i enjoyed the action sequences immensely but overall the movie wasn't very good.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:50 pm to RedPants
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The amount of hoops everyone is having to jump through to explain Ultron and the scepter are starting to make me realize how poorly AoU was written.
I haven't completed it yet, but there are no hoops. There's some overanalyzing going on.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:51 pm to DelU249
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so subtle it's like it's not even there...oh wait
No, it is.
I just followed the subtext, and certain visual and image clues.
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There's some overanalyzing going on.
Oh, definitely guilty.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:52 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:in the range of how I feel about it. I just think simple story would've suited it better
i enjoyed the action sequences immensely but overall the movie wasn't very good.
bad guys build ai. ai turns on bad guys and wants to destroy mankind. avengers come in to save the day
but having tony build ultron creates for a lot of potential (as does some good voice work by spader), potential they don't even attempt to fulfill
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:53 pm to VaBamaMan
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:53 pm to VaBamaMan
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With both Avenger movies. I just understand it better than anyone because I've been developing it and talking about it since Friday evening.
A movie like Avengers shouldn't take 72 hours worth of thought to explain the creation of an angry AI derived from a magical/scientific/weaponized scepter.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:54 pm to VaBamaMan
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Oh, definitely guilty.
I admit I'm guilty of this from time to time. I'm going to break into your post tonight.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:57 pm to Freauxzen
Wow, I don't even know if I want to jump into this thread
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:58 pm to RedPants
quote:and only because they couldn't take 10 minutes out elsewhere to feed us this information on the screen
shouldn't take 72 hours worth of thought to explain the creation of an angry AI derived from a magical/scientific/weaponized scepter.
no action cut
no boring hawkeye family farm bullshite (he's an ancillary character, no one gives a shite about bow and arrow man)
people keep saying it needed to be longer, well no...they needed to cut a lot of shite out, and add other stuff in.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:01 pm to RedPants
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A movie like Avengers shouldn't take 72 hours worth of thought to explain the creation of an angry AI derived from a magical/scientific/weaponized scepter
It doesn't. In fact, it doesn't require any of the long explanations in this thread. But, people are having a good time with it, and over-analyzing it for the sake of over-analyzing it. But it requires almost no explanation other than: Stark is a smart dude working with a magic object. His science mixed with magic to make Ultron.
End of explanation.
Everything else is just people nerding out. But it's not essential, nor is it fixing a plot hole.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:01 pm to DelU249
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people keep saying it needed to be longer, well no...they needed to cut a lot of shite out, and add other stuff in.
Ding ding ding. Ultron's creation was way too rushed, and this is really my only gripe with the movie. I really enjoyed everything else.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:02 pm to RedPants
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A movie like Avengers shouldn't take 72 hours worth of thought to explain the creation of an angry AI derived from a magical/scientific/weaponized scepter.
It really didn't. I had the theory done on Saturday. I first thought of it after the movie.
It is just every time I talk about it and someone says what about "this?", and throws out a statement. I remember another piece that points in the direction of my theory.
If said without the explanations and exposition it is fairly simple.
Thanos created a scepter utilizing the mind stone. To control it, he had a living consciousness imprinted in the scepter. This only does his will, and controls and bends other through the power of the stone. It works best on those consumed by fear, hatred, anger....etc. like Loki. Send Loki to destroy the earth and retrieve tesseract. Loki fails. Scepter is stuck on earth. Still tries to carry out plan. Which hydra, and then stark and Banner, accommodate unwittingly. Ultron is tainted on creation, ruining the scepter's plans. Thanos' plans as well, if only temporarily.
That is the cliffs version.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:04 pm to RedPants
I'm sorry you were looking forward to it, it's a sinking feeling in your gut when a movie properly disappoints you.
the best thing to do is come to grips with it...I had to do that for MoS. I instantly recognized some of the bullshite, but tried to justify it (because there is some really cool shite in the movie)I thought, I just need to watch it again. nope, it is bad. And it took me forever to admit it, because it's superman
you're there on Monday, so you're moving along very quickly through the stages
the best thing to do is come to grips with it...I had to do that for MoS. I instantly recognized some of the bullshite, but tried to justify it (because there is some really cool shite in the movie)I thought, I just need to watch it again. nope, it is bad. And it took me forever to admit it, because it's superman
you're there on Monday, so you're moving along very quickly through the stages
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