re: Arrow: Season 3 Thread

Arrow is going down the shitter this season...Flash is where it is at.

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What they've done with Felicity is the writers biggest misstep. She never should've been pushed as a serious live interest for Ollie. It never should've went further than her having a crush. They slowly but surely took what was great about her, cute and goofy sidekick, and pushed her in this inorganic direction.

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Couldn't agree more. She went from the quirky character that offered comedic relief at times to bitching about everything. For whatever reason it seems this writers have to have a woman like that in every season (Thea, then Laurel, now Felicity and Iris in the Flash.

Oliver and Felicity make no sense. Her and Ray were perfect. Hell even her and Barry would be better.

The season has been too fricking angsty. It's always been a serious show but atleast during seasons 1 and 2 good things still happened. Reign in the angst next season and I think we're good. Give the team a clear threat (HIVE) and make the flashbacks affect the present much more quickly. And for the love of God, if your gonna introduce a character you might want to spin off, do it like you did with Flash and only have them show up for 2 episodes. I've loved Ray's character but he has no fricking plot relevance other than to form a love triangle.


Also, let me ask you guys that think a relationship between Oliver and Laurel would be any better than the one between him and Felicity a question. Look back at the history of the two characters since the start of the show, the decisions theyve made and the actual character traits they exhibit. Now, without saying "because GA/BC get together in the comic books", explain to me why that relationship would be better?

Laurel isnt a bad character because of a lack of relationship with Oliver, and if she does need to be with him to redeem her character in some of your eyes then that just means her character doesnt deserve to be redeemed. I've said it earlier in this thread, but if your entire opinion of a character is based on who he/she is or isnt banging at the time, then your doing it wrong. She's had more growth (though awkward and poorly constructed) in this season and is a much stronger character because of it (though that isnt saying much, she's still probably the 7th or 8th best character.)

As for Oliver and Felicity, yea this shits getting out of hand. Because of all the horrible shite thats happened all the fun of the shows been sucked right out, this includes any fun that could have been had with this pairing. The show needs to lighten the frick up, let the two of them be happy for more than fifteen minutes and then we can reevaluate whether or not the relationship works.


At this point I just want the season to be over. Season 4 needs to bring back the fun or season 2, while still being a serious show. Structure the plot better, put the relationship stuff in the background, give us a bad guy that we can really sink our teeth into and for the love of god call him Green Arrow. Be a Superhero show.

The only relationship in D.C. Comics that is more dysfunctional and toxic than Oliver Queen and Dinah Lance is Joker and Harley Quinn.

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Look back at the history of the two characters since the start of the show, the decisions theyve made and the actual character traits they exhibit. Now, without saying "because GA/BC get together in the comic books", explain to me why that relationship would be better?

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Her being BC has nothing to do with it for me. For Laurel and Oliver, the actors AND characters have chemistry.

Felicity and Oliver have neither of these and never will.

I hate to give such a simple response but there's just not much more to it. If you don't have chemistry, nothing else will work in that direction.

Ray and Felicity? Chemistry
Barry and Felicity? Chemistry
Ollie and Felicity? No way, nuh-uh, forget it

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The reason why I think it has hurt Laurel's character is because without a more sturdy tie to Oliver in the overall storyline, she just seems to be out of place most of the time and a third wheel. She is like a loose end that is just hanging around. That is my opinion anyways.

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That is a very reasonable and good point. I have the exact opposite feelings about that than you do but I can understand how you see it that way. For me personally having Laurel off on her own doing her own thing has helped her character grow more this season than she did in the last two.

By not being attached to Oliver's journey she started her own. Green Arrow and Black Canary have always been linked together and always will be, but they arn't the same character, they both have their own motivations, their own stories, and are their own people. I've always felt that Laurels character was always affected by her being shoe-horned into the plots when she wasnt needed to be.

She still has a loooooooong way to go before I actually care about her character, but I dont hate her like I did in seasons 1 and 2. Honestly I think the best thing for her character would be to leave Arrow for a time and maybe join Sara on Legends, give her time to grow as a person and superhero apart from Oliver and then eventually bring her back as a more fleshed out Black Canary. Because honestly its called Arrow, its not about her journey on the show, its about Olivers and as a result all other characters are going to play second fiddle to that.

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Some people are so quick to turn on a show.

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no it really has gone down hill somewhat..



but if I'm Oliver, I'm like "yes to getting down on some nyssa:"




no to wiping out starling city,,

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Hey, if bedding Nyssa means wiping out a few 100,000 folks, then so be it...J/K...I think.

But like I said above, I'm consummating that marriage ASAP before someone screws it up.

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it's sort of like his whole deal to go do the Ras thing was to save Starling city, now he has to wipe it out?

Yea like we don't know that's not gonna happen.

Where does Talia come into play? You can't have Ras and Nyssa without Talia.