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re: Anyone see Arrival yet? How was it?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:23 am to boxcarbarney
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:23 am to boxcarbarney
Pretty decent. Honestly, and I might get some hate for this, but it seemed a lot like Signs. It was a "reverse" Signs. Really cool, but I didn't see anything unique or new, except one small aspect of it that was clever, but it wasn't really expounded upon much.
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:28 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Really beautiful movie but I thought it was too clever by half in certain spots. Maybe I need to see it aga
SPOILERS
And Jeremy Renner being a the token "genius physicist" was....eh...he didn't even do any physics shite. Why did they even have him if he wasn't the linguist expert that Amy Adams was? Him being a physicist seemed purely in place to further glamorize their stature as "top experts". Should have just made him another linguist expert, maybe one possibly brought in after she discovers some hints of being able to distinguish their symbols.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:14 am to boxcarbarney
Absolutely wonderful movie.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:47 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:because it was her job. She was running the show and she is considered the world's foremost expert in linguistics. having him there, he'd either argue with her or just agree with everything she said which would be pointless.
Why did they even have him if he wasn't the linguist expert that Amy Adams was?
His purpose was/is to be the child's father. And his overall job was irrelevant to the story as long as his expertise didn't clash with hers
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:53 am to CocomoLSU
quote:would be curious to know what underwhelmed you.
I was relatively underwhelmed with it.
I have a buddy that I was for sure expecting to feel meh about the movie so I really tried to calm his expectations about the story and he came out really liking it.
quote:time as a 4th dimension that can be sensed and experienced at any and all given points. Similar to Interstellar when Matthew Mcanahahahay is in that weird space at the end.
Also I feel like it got a little caught up in the issues caused by time travel (or in this case, being to access time in a non-linear fashion).
quote:Since the heptapods already knows what happens, I don't think it's a horrible idea
Also, am I the only one who thinks that teaching humanity this alien language that allows them to access time like that is a potentially horrible idea?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:49 am to tiggerthetooth
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And Jeremy Renner being a the token "genius physicist" was....eh...he didn't even do any physics shite. Why did they even have him if he wasn't the linguist expert that Amy Adams was? Him being a physicist seemed purely in place to further glamorize their stature as "top experts". Should have just made him another linguist expert, maybe one possibly brought in after she discovers some hints of being able to distinguish their symbols.
IMO he was there for nothing more than to end up being with Amy Adams and having a child with her, as per her visions into the future. That's one of the things that bugged me about it...how forced that "relationship" was.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:58 am to Pilot Tiger
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ould be curious to know what underwhelmed you.
First off, I think my expectations were a little too high. For some reason, I expected this movie to be pretty awesome. And while I did like it and thought it was cool, there was something missing for me.
The forced relationship between Renner and Adams was something I didn't care for. I also didn't care for the pacing of the movie. At some point I think they could've gone into things a bit more, like the soldiers trying to sabotage the ship and blow it up. That seems like it sort of came out of the blue and then was over pretty quick. Same thing with the ending; I felt like it was pretty rushed. I don't mind a slow burn but you can't have that at the expense of having to rush through seemingly important aspects or rush through the ending.
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time as a 4th dimension that can be sensed and experienced at any and all given points. Similar to Interstellar when Matthew Mcanahahahay is in that weird space at the end.
Yes, I know that. My point is that you always run into issues when that happens. For example, the end when she is on the phone with the Prime Minister of China (or whatever he was...defense guy?). She access that point in the future and he tells her his wife's dying words, and she recites them to him in the present to persuade him from cutting the bullshite. But the only reason that happens in the future is because she tells him the wife stuff in the present. It's the whole time travel paradox thing. And I realize that there is no time "travel" here, but it's the same thing.
Like in Interstellar, like you mentioned...the problem is that MM sends the code to Murph from the future, but had that never happened they never would've been able to do it in the first place. The future thing directly affects the present thing, and without it, nothing would have happened. And I get that she can access time like the aliens can since she learned the language, but it creates that paradox that bugs the shite out of me.
All that being said, I did enjoy the movie and I thought it was pretty cool. But I just felt like it could've been better, and I think I was expecting it to be better, which is why I was a bit disappointed/underwhelmed.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:55 am to CocomoLSU
quote:my expectations were also off the charts, but mainly because I am a huge fan of Dennis Villeneuve.
First off, I think my expectations were a little too high. For some reason, I expected this movie to be pretty awesome.
I can see how some people would not be as happy about it.
quote:it is paced very slowly which can def present some problems but I think they navigated the pacing well. A lesser director may have ruined it
I also didn't care for the pacing of the movie.
quote:I felt the ending was actually really long
Same thing with the ending; I felt like it was pretty rushed.
quote:look at it more as her unlocking this ability and less about it being a time travel paradox.
And I realize that there is no time "travel" here, but it's the same thing.
Time travel is just one of those tropes you have to basically accept the rules of each movie. This movie was definitely less about "how" and more about why
quote:fair enough. It affected me greatly and is on a list of a few movies that just punch me in the right way and remind me why I love movies so much
All that being said, I did enjoy the movie and I thought it was pretty cool. But I just felt like it could've been better, and I think I was expecting it to be better, which is why I was a bit disappointed/underwhelmed.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:30 am to Pilot Tiger
Fantastic movie. Profound in a lot of ways. I thoroughly enjoyed the payoff.
It DOES have some pacing issues. They could have added some beats here and there to help with the pacing, or maybe shaved off about 5-10 minutes.
It also didn't help that this is the first time in probably 5 years I went to a fricking AMC theater instead of Canal Place.
TWENTY THREE Minutes of previews (WTF, I had forgotten this is a thing) and two tPOS's in the back just chatting away. At one point I turned around to them and told them to kindly shut the frick up.
It DOES have some pacing issues. They could have added some beats here and there to help with the pacing, or maybe shaved off about 5-10 minutes.
It also didn't help that this is the first time in probably 5 years I went to a fricking AMC theater instead of Canal Place.
TWENTY THREE Minutes of previews (WTF, I had forgotten this is a thing) and two tPOS's in the back just chatting away. At one point I turned around to them and told them to kindly shut the frick up.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:50 am to Pilot Tiger
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it is paced very slowly which can def present some problems but I think they navigated the pacing well.
My main thing is I don't mind the pacing as long as it doesn't result in having to rush stuff later, which I felt like this did.
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look at it more as her unlocking this ability and less about it being a time travel paradox.
Time travel is just one of those tropes you have to basically accept the rules of each movie.
I get that. But it just gets sort of "messy" when she's accessing things from the future (if we're thinking linearly), when they are directly affected by the present.
Also, I forgot to add that Forest Whitaker's terrible accent actually bothered me and took me out of things a bit sometimes.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:59 am to Freauxzen
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quote: better than interstellar Like, way better.
Maybe from an art perspective, but on entertainment value, Interstellar was better.
The one thing I really dislike about movies cut like Arrival, is that they frequently cut away from interesting scenes to something much less interesting. Drives me insane.
Perfect example in this movie is the first meeting with the aliens. Just as the tension is at it's highest, they cut away and skip most of the first encounter. Like who the frick told filmmakers this was a good idea?
A lot of the "art" style movies do that these days. I don't get it. It feels like I'm only being told part of a story.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:33 pm to Pilot Tiger
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having him there, he'd either argue with her or just agree with everything she said which would be pointless.
He agreed anyways. He wouldn't have to argue her. He could have moments of questioning, but from a stand point of the "apprentice" or lesser expert. That role has played well in many movies. Why wouldn't it here?
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His purpose was/is to be the child's father. And his overall job was irrelevant to the story as long as his expertise didn't clash with hers
He could have still done that. All he had to do was be a male.
Small thing, not a big deal really, just one of my thoughts on it.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:03 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:but as a linguist it would be pointless
He agreed anyways.
We have to assume he was doing quantum physics stuff off screen because he had his own team to manage. But again, this is a story about Amy Adams character so we focus on her team
Posted on 11/21/16 at 4:08 pm to CocomoLSU
read the short story
the nature of the heptapods reality is expplained very well especially in terms of Fermats least time principle
the nature of the heptapods reality is expplained very well especially in terms of Fermats least time principle
Posted on 11/21/16 at 4:16 pm to Pilot Tiger
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but as a linguist it would be pointless
We have to assume he was doing quantum physics stuff off screen because he had his own team to manage. But again, this is a story about Amy Adams character so we focus on her team
He was actually the one who cracked the "one part out of twelve" code though. So it's not like he didn't do anything. That was a pretty big piece of everything.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 4:21 pm to cgrand
I liked it a lot.
My only question is how she was able to see her kid and a lot of the other visions before having the aliens reveal and unlock her mind to see time as non-linear?
Was it meant to be paradoxical? Were the visions just for us and they weren't actually in her head? Not sure on the visions before the revelation but I thought it was really beautiful and bittersweet towards the end. The fact she still followed everything in order without changing anything for her future, knowing she would lose her kid and Ian along the way, but still didn't change anything was powerful.
Good stuff. A lot of idiots in the theater were like I don't get it? This is stupid. Why wouldn't she go help save her daughter?
My only question is how she was able to see her kid and a lot of the other visions before having the aliens reveal and unlock her mind to see time as non-linear?
Was it meant to be paradoxical? Were the visions just for us and they weren't actually in her head? Not sure on the visions before the revelation but I thought it was really beautiful and bittersweet towards the end. The fact she still followed everything in order without changing anything for her future, knowing she would lose her kid and Ian along the way, but still didn't change anything was powerful.
Good stuff. A lot of idiots in the theater were like I don't get it? This is stupid. Why wouldn't she go help save her daughter?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 4:35 pm to WicKed WayZ
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My only question is how she was able to see her kid and a lot of the other visions before having the aliens reveal and unlock her mind to see time as non-linear?
Yeah, it seemed that she had non-linear memories prior to her alien encounter. No telling how long she had them, but it appeared that they escalated as she got closer to her first-contact. Once the crisis was in full swing she seemed to be able to call on the memories almost like a superpower.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:18 pm to Fewer Kilometers
The soldiers trying to blow up the ship was so unnecessary. I know that was the mechanism to get the aliens to do a burst of information, but it was insulting and preachy( the ignorant and afraid jarheads trying to save us from a invasion). Saw it before in Contact. I would have preferred going in the line of CE3K, where the miltary/government people wete in awe of the experience. Other than that very thought provoking and visually interesting.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:02 am to WicKed WayZ
quote:I watched the movie twice
My only question is how she was able to see her kid and a lot of the other visions before having the aliens reveal and unlock her mind to see time as non-linear?
She doesn't start having visions of her kid until she starts to learn the alien language. And you can tell by her reactions she doesn't know what the heck the visions are.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 9:04 am
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:43 am to Pilot Tiger
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She doesn't start having visions of her kid until she starts to learn the alien language. And you can tell by her reactions she doesn't know what the heck the visions are.
Didn't the movie start off with her visions of her daughter and all that? Like wasn't that literally the first thing in the movie?
Or I may be misremembering..
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