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Zach Lowe on Kyrie Irving

Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
2343 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:37 pm
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Stable franchises tamp down these kinds of ego conflicts. You have meetings, massage some personalities, tweak the playbook, win a bunch of games, and everyone feels better. You empower the aggrieved, make them feel included. David Griffin, the Cavs' deposed GM, did his best with Irving, James, and Love. Dan Gilbert's inexplicable decision to let Griffin go created a power vacuum at the wrong time.


Still: This is an audacious move from Irving. He led the team in scoring and shots last season. He held the ball longer than James, and touched it almost as often. He was much closer to LeBron in role than to Love. He is a glaring minus on defense, and the Cavs have been horrific when Irving has to play without James.


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But maybe adjustment becomes transformation, which becomes basketball magic. The Cavs have been terrible whenever Irving plays without LeBron. Irving's scoring in those minutes has soared anyway, in part because he never stops shooting. Over the past two seasons, Irving has jacked about 26 shots for every 36 minutes he plays without James, per NBA.com. Only six players have ever topped 25 field-goal attempts per 36 minutes in any season, and only one of them -- Wilt Chamberlain -- did it twice. Even Kobe Bryant never pulled it!


Meanwhile, Irving's assist numbers in those minutes barely ticked up.


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I am perhaps unnaturally intrigued with pairing Irving and Anthony Davis in New Orleans. Davis is almost the ideal co-pilot for a ball-dominant point guard. He's a pick-and-roll dance partner who can isolate and post up when Irving needs a respite, and use the threat of his jump shot to draw defenders out of the lane. He doesn't have the ballhandling to initiate possessions, but puts his mark on them every step of the way.


Lowe mentions a bunch of trade scenarios but I like the idea of him on the Pelicans the best. Who says no to an Irving/Cousins swap?
Posted by LSUTigKyl
Nashville
Member since May 2009
1802 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:41 pm to
I can't think of many worse scenarios for a star with Lebron than Cousins. Boogie is ultra talented but Lebron and 4/5s who can't really stretch the floor, don't work. This trade is even worse with Love on the team.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
34741 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:41 pm to
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Over the past two seasons, Irving has jacked about 26 shots for every 36 minutes he plays without James, per NBA.com.


Holy shite

And I believe in Boogie. I wouldn't do that deal.
Posted by GeauxAggie972
Poterbin Residence
Member since Aug 2009
29424 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:44 pm to
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Who says no to an Irving/Cousins swap?


Cleveland. Trade away Irving and then lose LeBron and Cousins in the offseason (possibly both to the same team), leaving you with Kevin Love
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
2343 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:46 pm to
Cousins over the last two seasons has shot 35% from three on 4+ attempts per game. He's not what most would consider a "stretch 5" but he's enough of a threat there that teams have to respect him.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30060 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:50 pm to
Boogie works well with Lebron only if Lebron is okay with running the offense through boogie. He's also efficient as it is, imagine Lebron. Even more so.

No contender has a big man who can beat boogie. No one has a true counter for that duo. The concern is you'd still need a 2nd handler.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
58862 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:59 pm to
Great deal for New Orleans, but Cleveland would have no guards.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36563 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

Who says no to an Irving/Cousins swap?


You don't trade your best player for someone that is demanding a trade.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110476 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:03 pm to
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You don't trade your best player for someone that is demanding a trade.

Neither player is their team's best player.
Posted by Gtothemoney
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
17711 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:10 pm to
Love/Kyrie 4 Boogie/Jrue
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
24327 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:01 pm to
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Love/Kyrie 4 Boogie/Jrue



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