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Youth baseball coaches/dads - advice please - Update and Thanks to DPD901

Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:26 pm
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7870 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:26 pm
I'm looking for some advice to help my 8 year old son.

He's been playing since tee ball and this is his second year in a machine pitch league. Last year, he hit pretty well, about average on the team. This year, he hits great off the tee and with soft toss drills, but when a ball is pitched to him (whiffle or regular, over, machine or underhand) his swing completely breaks down. His first move with his hands is up, he comes off really bad, his swing is short/choppy and he misses the ball by a foot or more. I think it might be fear, but I don't know why that would start now; he's never been hit

I can't find any drills to help online and I'm just wondering if any of you have any advice? I'm not trying to develop an all star, just looking get him back to where he is having fun.

I can email a video on the tee and with a pitch if that would help.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 6:52 pm
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:34 pm to
Repetition from an over hand delivery. No more tee or soft toss until working on minor technical adjustments. Drop a ball instead of tee or soft toss. Sounds like a confidence issue to me.
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7870 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:37 pm to
quote:

No more tee or soft toss until working on minor technical adjustments


What should I be looking for?
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
12291 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:42 pm to
Lots of times when kids lift their hands they also lay the bat down instead of allowing the bat to go on plane during the swing.. This will cause lots of issues.. Work Front toss behind a screen and ball drops instead of front toss to get his bat timing.. Dont worry about how he hits against a machine.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
30016 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:44 pm to
If his hands move up, make him start with them exaggeratedly high and he will stop. In the future, dropping the hands may become a problem. Baseball swing is like the golf swing in that you are always having to tweak something. There is no perfect swing. Also, get him as many reps of live, game-speed pitching as you can. Don't waste time with soft toss. Either do tee work or game speed from now on. Hope that helps
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42557 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:45 pm to
Natural progression for his age. I coach 4 year old Tball, and parents with older kids complain about this all the time. It will probably pass next year. He probably is a bit slower than his peers with change.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
30016 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:46 pm to
Also, check the weight of his bat. At that age, a lot of issues arise from simply having too heavy of a bat.
Posted by lake2280
Public intellectual
Member since Nov 2012
4288 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:49 pm to
Try Soccer that may be his sport!
Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
7436 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

Try Soccer that may be his sport!



Nah. That's too much running for a baseball kid.

(Full disclosure, I like both sports. Just not jackasses who wanna dog on another sport.)

On a totally serious note, definitely check the bat weight. Kids never want to use a bat that is lighter than their friends because they think it makes them seem weak.
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 7:52 pm
Posted by lake2280
Public intellectual
Member since Nov 2012
4288 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:57 pm to
He doesn't sound like a baseball kid he is 8 and cant hit underhand pitching.
Posted by lake2280
Public intellectual
Member since Nov 2012
4288 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:59 pm to
8 year olds worried about bat weights and feeling weak. GMAFB
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:03 pm to
Watch his eyes first. Are they following ball or just some spot? Quick pitches (drop ball drill) will address the hand movement up in pre-swing. If his hands are that fast he may never change. Oldest son dropped hands at back hip before starting swing. Not a factor for him.

The repitiious overhand drills help him to hit any pitch to any field. All hitters are different between rock back and contact point, observation will help you more than anything.

Right now, focus only on a thrown pitch. His comfort and confidence will thrive.
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 8:05 pm
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7870 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

definitely check the bat weight


According to bat sizing charts, he should be using a 29" bat, but he uses a 28" drop 13, so it's 15 oz. He even used a smaller bat a couple of times with the same result.

It's really odd, he can swing great with good mechanics on all tee/soft toss drills (haven't tried the ball drop yet, will do, though) and as soon as any type of pitch comes at him, it all changes.

Thanks to all so far.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:03 pm to
Idiots show up, predictable.
Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
7436 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

It's really odd, he can swing great with good mechanics on all tee/soft toss drills (haven't tried the ball drop yet, will do, though) and as soon as any type of pitch comes at him, it all changes.



Are his hands coming up and in (towards his face), up and forward, or just going straight up before he starts his swing?
Posted by RoscoeHarper
Edmond, OK
Member since Aug 2011
4538 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:26 pm to
I would definitely still stick with tee work. I pitch to my kid (10 yrs old) with the weighted balls to help him with timing a pitch coming at him. They are great because you can do it in the back yard with a lot of reps easily.
Posted by The Stranger
Member since Apr 2017
25 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:28 pm to
There is so much inherently wrong in what you've written.

Aside from basic fundamental cues, your 8 year old shouldn't be thinking about mechanics when he swings.

Based off the things you've said I can justly assume that you've got his mind thinking of way too many things that distract from his ability to make contact and develop his natural movements, his natural swing.

There's also the chance and even likelihood that he's just not a good athlete. I'm sure that would be hard for you to accept.

Either way, your post is disturbing.

Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76472 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:28 pm to
Hitting pitches is an open motor skill meaning unlike a free throw, driving a golf ball, a tennis serve, etc. meaning it relies on an outside stimulus.

The only way to get better at an open motor skill, is to perform the exact skill repetitively. If you want to get good at hitting a pitch, hit a bunch of pitches, if you want to get good at hitting dropped/tossed balls then hit tossed/dropped balls, if you want to be good at hitting off a tee then hit off a tee. They are three entirely different motor programs no matter how much they might look similar.

If he has good form off a tee, then the issue isn't mechanics, it's hitting live pitching. Show him videos of people performing the skill correctly, build keys within the swing that you find important but make them succinct and short some can self correct, and most importantly, give him video feedback (an iPad with a video delay app is great for this) so he can see himself hitting.

You'll see rapid improvement quickly.
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 8:32 pm
Posted by sgallo3
Dorne
Member since Sep 2008
24747 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:32 pm to
throw him some fungos overhand and see if the same thing happens with his swing going bad. if it doesnt, that means he is afraid of being hit by a baseball
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7870 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:35 pm to
quote:

The Stranger


Your reading comprehension sucks as much as your post. I'm not talking to my son about mechanics or telling him what to do or what not to do. I'm trying to diagnose it with help, here, and come up with a drill/techniques to help him correct it.

I don't care if my son is a great athlete, I'm just trying to help him enjoy this great game a little more because I can see that it's bothering him.

Thanks to all who are giving sincere advice.
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