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Yankees: Why shop Brett Gardner?
Posted on 12/21/13 at 3:12 am
Posted on 12/21/13 at 3:12 am
Here's a couple of reasons why not:
1. It's not about the money. Any notion of the Yankees sticking to a self-imposed salary cap in 2014 is already laughable and it's only December.
2. Gardner is a productive ball player. He hits well with RISP and is a monster on the base path (25 steals 2013). Above average OF with an above average arm.
3. If the Yankees need to trim the roster, why not move Wells and Ichiro, in that order. Very little downside IMO.
Remember the Russell Martin trade? In some ways, that was the beginning of the end for last year's season. No need to repeat that bonehead move with a proven performer like Gardner who will help get wins.
1. It's not about the money. Any notion of the Yankees sticking to a self-imposed salary cap in 2014 is already laughable and it's only December.
2. Gardner is a productive ball player. He hits well with RISP and is a monster on the base path (25 steals 2013). Above average OF with an above average arm.
3. If the Yankees need to trim the roster, why not move Wells and Ichiro, in that order. Very little downside IMO.
Remember the Russell Martin trade? In some ways, that was the beginning of the end for last year's season. No need to repeat that bonehead move with a proven performer like Gardner who will help get wins.
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Posted on 12/21/13 at 6:36 am to Dalosaqy
Well I agree, Gardner is a cheaper version of Ellsbury and this Ellsbury was not needed. But I'm high on Gardner...
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:51 am to Dalosaqy
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3. If the Yankees need to trim the roster, why not move Wells and Ichiro, in that order. Very little downside IMO.
NY is only paying Wells like $2.5-million. Ichiro should go first.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:56 am to Srbtiger06
Well, Wells is useless at least Ichiro can pinch run/play defense
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:03 am to Dalosaqy
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1. It's not about the money. Any notion of the Yankees sticking to a self-imposed salary cap in 2014 is already laughable and it's only December.
It is about the money. Assuming an arbiter holds up Arod's suspension, they have a good shot at being under the luxury tax line next year, which would bring their penalty down from 50% to something like 17%. Avoiding the repeater tax will be huge for the Yankees moving forward, so they definitely have some incentive to move Gardner.
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3. If the Yankees need to trim the roster, why not move Wells and Ichiro, in that order. Very little downside IMO.
While I don't think they should trade Gardner, the other two guys can't be considered everyday guys at this point, so I doubt they'd get much for them. Gardner would at least net some reasonable talent.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:26 am to tduecen
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Well, Wells is useless at least Ichiro can pinch run/play defense
Yeah. I don't know how I would manage it. Neither of them are likely to start this year with Gardner, Ellsbury, and Soriano (I reallllly like that OF as long as Ellsbury stays healthy). Ichiro is marginally better, but he just turned 40 and is he worth 2.5x as much as Wells? It all depends on how tight they are with the budget I guess.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:30 am to Dalosaqy
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Remember the Russell Martin trade?
No. I don't.
Dodgers non-tendered him.
NY signed him as a free agent.
Pittsburgh signed him as a free agent.
This post was edited on 12/21/13 at 9:32 am
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:27 am to Srbtiger06
We arnt shopping him
They announced they had no plans to move him when the brandon phillips thing came up
They announced they had no plans to move him when the brandon phillips thing came up
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:32 am to Srbtiger06
Maybe he meant Burnett 
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:33 am to Dalosaqy
your answering your own question
Ichiro and wells have zero value, a bag of dirty balls is all your getting for them
Gardner is the piece that can get you a need, in return.
Ichiro and wells have zero value, a bag of dirty balls is all your getting for them
Gardner is the piece that can get you a need, in return.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:41 am to tduecen
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Maybe he meant Burnett
Even then it doesn't make sense.
Kuroda, Nova, Andy, and even Hughes have been at least as good in 12 & 12 as AJ was his last 2 seasons in NY.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:51 am to tduecen
quote:Good god, no. Burnett was a boat anchor. Martin was a gamer, trade or no. I stand by my analogy:Dumping Gardner would be as brainless as letting Martin get away.
Maybe he meant Burnett
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:56 am to Dalosaqy
Because he has only 1 year left on his contract and the could use some young players.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:56 am to Srbtiger06
Dunno about Hughes, he was awful last year 
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:58 am to Overbrook
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could use some young players.
Yeah, Gardner's all of 30.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 11:00 am to Dalosaqy
And the youngest starter on the team.... Yankees are old and they have nothing in the farm system at the moment. Shocking since that same farm system was considered Top 5 just 2 seasons ago....
Posted on 12/21/13 at 11:17 am to Dalosaqy
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Yeah, Gardner's all of 30.
Which is not young. Who else do that have that's tradeable?
How's that pitching staff looking?
Posted on 12/21/13 at 11:49 am to Overbrook
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Who else do that have that's tradeable?
Our best prospects are C, OF, and pitchers but they're all in low ball.
Other than that nothing.
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ow's that pitching staff looking?
They'll be fine if CC rebounds. Kuroda is solid. Nova had a really good season last year. IDK about Phelps. I think he could be a solid back end guy. Pineda should pitch this year. There's potential.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 12:11 pm to tduecen
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Shocking since that same farm system was considered Top 5 just 2 seasons ago....
I'm not going to shut the book on Banuelos and Bettances yet, but their stock has plummeted.
Montero is gone and he was our top guy. Too early to tell on Romine IMO. Sanchez looks solid.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 12:18 pm to Srbtiger06
I figured they'd sign Garza or someone.
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