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re: Would you support Danny Green winning Finals MVP?

Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:06 pm to
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My contention is that there is nothing more valuable than winning the Title.


One player doesn't win a title.

Everyone knows LeBron is the best player in basketball at this moment. By default he's ALWAYS the most valuable player.

By your logic, there should never be a season LeBron doesn't win a title.
Posted by Rittdog
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed
Member since Oct 2009
9955 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:08 pm to
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But he is. my analysis on Wade is based on him continuing his play from the last two games up to the final two in Miami. Don't know how people can say Lebron when he has been tentative most of the series. He can drive to the basket anytime he wants, but refuses in place of passing waay too much. If he can go to the rim and attack Paul George and Hibbert he damn sure can do it with Leonard, Danny Green guarding him. But now all of a sudden he can't do this.



You're missing the point..

If DWADE is the best player and LeBron continues to play like a bitch...they wont win it all..thus no Miami player wins Finals MVP.

If you wanna say Wade has been the best Heat player the past two games. You are right. But Wade being better than LeBron doesnt equate to championships. See 2011. LeBron needs to be the best player on the floor for the Heat to win it all.
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:14 pm to
I get your point. You are basically sayin that in order for the Heat to win Lebron has to play great and that isn't true. When Wade plays like the old Wade they always win in most cases. They did in Game 4 and they will if he continues in the last two games. I think Lebron feeds off of Wade's energy to much sometimes instead of taking over games himself and imposing his will on opposing teams. You are right about last year he finally stepped up, but that hasn't been the case so for this series.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Rittdog
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed
Member since Oct 2009
9955 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:16 pm to
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All Lebron needs to do is play his part.


If LeBron plays his part..

Then he's Finals MVP..

Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:18 pm to
Don't see how if Wade continues his play. Even Lebron would agree.
Posted by iliveinabox
in a box
Member since Aug 2011
24115 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:19 pm to
If he has another game even close to resembling what he has been doing so far this season, frick yes.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61093 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:23 pm to
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When he makes up his mind to go to the hole no one can stop him


That's exactly how it worked when Danny Green stripped him on the fast break.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:24 pm to
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Everyone knows LeBron is the best player in basketball at this moment. By default he's ALWAYS the most valuable player.



quote:

By your logic, there should never be a season LeBron doesn't win a title.




No. That is not the "logic" at all.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:27 pm to
Lebron has more points rebs assists blocks than dwade it wouldn't even be close at this point
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
61093 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:27 pm to
Seeing that statement alone makes it seem as if even if he just stands out there he is the MVP. When he plays WELL he is the best player in basketball, so by default, if he is playing well he should always win MVP. Does he always play well? No. Then he should not always win MVP.
Posted by lance814
Member since Feb 2013
716 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:28 pm to
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I get your point. You are basically sayin that in order for the Heat to win Lebron has to play great and that isn't true. When Wade plays like the old Wade they always win in most cases. They did in Game 4 and they will if he continues in the last two games. I think Lebron feeds off of Wade's energy to much sometimes instead of taking over games himself and imposing his will on opposing teams. You are right about last year he finally stepped up, but that hasn't been the case so for this series.


I hope D Wade keeps playing at the level he's showed in the last 2 games. Let's recap though....

Game 1: Lebron gets a triple double 18-18-10, D Wade does nothing.

Game 2: The Heat make a huge run to blow out the Spurs with D Wade on the bench.

Game 3: Both were absolutely horrible.

Game 4: Heat pull away in the 4th with Lebron on the bench. Wade was great, but Lebron game was very good also.

Game 5: Wade was good and Lebron was a below average.

Wade would have to outplay Lebron by a huge margin in game 6 and 7 to win the MVP, because without Lebron, this series is a 4-0 sweep.


edit: forgot to delete either....
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 12:32 pm
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:29 pm to
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Lebron has more points rebs assists blocks than dwade it wouldn't even be close at this point
...and he's shooting 43%. Wade is shooting 48%
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:30 pm to
Deep. Wade also has ginobli guarding him
Posted by Anfield Road
Liverpool Fan
Member since May 2012
1940 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:30 pm to
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he's 25-38 from 3. that's just stupid right there .


That's like shooting 99% from two point territory.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61093 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:42 pm to
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Crazy thing is Ray Allen is shooting a similar 3 point % as Green this finals. Just not as many shot attempts.


Ray Allen is shooting 22-34 from 3-point range this finals (which is very good), so yes he is close, but he's Ray Allen, so its expected that he shoots from 3 well(probably why you aren't hearing about it as much). Also, Ray Allen does nothing else in the box score besides shoot. If he doesn't shoot well, then he's basically worthless. He doesn't pass much or drive, doesn't defend, and definitely doesn't scrap. Danny Green has a block in every single game so far, averages a couple of assists, and about 3 rebounds, and you've seen the big plays on the defensive end with the LeBron fast break strip. Ray Allen hasn't had a single steal or block the entire series. He also doesn't even start. So he's clearly just a role player at best in the series and hasn't had the same impact as Green outside of 3-pt shooting efficiency, but 3-pointers aren't he only reason Green would win MVP.
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:44 pm to
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He and Parker are the only non HOFers who have won since 85 I can say that for sure.

Billups, even if he wasn't an all-star, was all-star caliber for a 5-8 year window I'd say


Tony P is a HOFer even if he retired right now. He was an all-star before he won finals mvp.

Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:48 pm to
Stats always don't tell the whole story. As I said earlier Game 4 was won because of Wade's effectiveness scoring the 32 in all types of ways on San Antonio. Then Lebron at the end of the game jacks up 3 meaningless jumpers one being a 3 hitting all 3 to outscoe Wade. People looking at the stats only would swear Lebron outplayed Wade.

Spolstra shouldn't have even had all 3 of his stars in at the end of that game because Popovich had already thrown in the towel by removing his top players.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 12:51 pm
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27871 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:49 pm to
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When Wade plays like the old Wade they always win in most cases.

75% of the time, it works all the time.
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:52 pm to
Most times. They feed off his energy when he's hitting all these circus shots. The problem is the old Wade has been gone for awhile and only resurfaces occassionally.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 12:53 pm
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:53 pm to
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Ray Allen is shooting 22-34 from 3-point range this finals


That's his total FGM-FGA.

He's 11/17 on 3s so far.

Edit: Just realized he's 11/17 both inside out and outside the arc
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 12:54 pm
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