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re: Why is Muhammad Ali so revered when he is a racist POS?
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:43 pm to Kafka
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:43 pm to Kafka
All that American white devil bullshite comes out of the Nation of Islam's hate teachings working its way down from the teachings of Wallace Fard Muhammad (or what ever his real name was) to Robert Elijah Poole (renamed Elijah Muhammad who taught and influened men like Malcolm X, Ali, and Farrakhan. They also have some wierd beliefs about The Mother Wheel (a highly technical UFO built in Japan that carry bombs that makes mountains).
One of the first books I read at LSU my freshman year was The Zebra Killings about a Black Muslim sect in SF in the early 70's by a group called the Death Angels.
Ali gets a pass for his beliefs b/c of his success as a boxer. Maybe since then he and other radical members of the Nation of Islam have changed their beliefs about race but the core of the Nation's teachings are still there today.
One of the first books I read at LSU my freshman year was The Zebra Killings about a Black Muslim sect in SF in the early 70's by a group called the Death Angels.
Ali gets a pass for his beliefs b/c of his success as a boxer. Maybe since then he and other radical members of the Nation of Islam have changed their beliefs about race but the core of the Nation's teachings are still there today.
This post was edited on 1/10/09 at 3:51 pm
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Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:46 pm to 225Tiger
TAKE THIS TO THE POLI BOARD!!!!!!
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:46 pm to 225Tiger
dude, you linked to a neo-Nazi website
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:46 pm to 225Tiger
People act like Ali didn't face discrimination and racism during the '60s. He just randomly disliked whites for no reason, right.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:46 pm to 225Tiger
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dude, you linked to a neo-Nazi website
This post was edited on 1/10/09 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:49 pm to dukke v
quote:I salute you gentleman for being there and hearing your opinions, no disresct PJ, and Zach- Teofilio Stephenson wouldn't have stood a chance against young , angry George Foreman. Ali did.
Peej and Zach
This post was edited on 1/10/09 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:53 pm to tubucoco
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Stephenson wouldn't have stood a chance against young , angry George Foreman, Ali did.
Are you serious??? I think Foreman was better than TYSON as far as being a beast. BUT ALI would have CRUSHED Stephenson.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:54 pm to SPEEDY
To be fair, us whiteys are pretty devilish.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:57 pm to dukke v
am I serious about what? I just said Foreman would have demolished Stephenson, but we know what an OLDER ALI did to Foreman. so yeah, I agree with you Foreman would have made Stephenson PISS IN HIS PANTS like he did Frazier.
This post was edited on 1/10/09 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:59 pm to Esarhaddon
quote:I didn't know...by the look of it there's some very weird shite in that main link on all types of things.
dude, you linked to a neo-Nazi website
Looks like Pandora's box of Psychobabble.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:00 pm to Rocket
quote:Judging by the rhetoric they spew, I'd say they are eerily similar.
I know you're not comparing black Muslims to the KKK.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:01 pm to tubucoco
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am I serious about what? I just said Foreman would have demolished Stephenson, but we know what an OLDER ALI did to Foreman. so yeah, I agree with you Foreman would have made Stephenson PISS IN HIS PANTS like he did Frazier.
So WHY make your earliar post?????????? I don't get into race and shite like that!! I do remember when BOXING did mean something though!!! ALI WAS GREAT!!! I don;t care how HE spun it!! If people were to stupid to not realize what he was saying, then thats them!!!
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:01 pm to Rocket
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Those beliefs weren't uncommon among black people, I'd imagine, and there is a history of why those people felt that way. Some still do.
Clearly.
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Are you telling me that there are no black coaches out there that are interested in becoming a head coach?
Absolutely not. I am saying it should not be considered racist just because a black candidate is not interviewed.
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Are you saying there haven't been inequalities that exist between the dominant culture and minorities?
No I'm not saying that either. I'm saying that being mstreated or discriminated against is not something new, it is not isolated to one race, and should not be used as a crutch. By that I don't mean everyone uses it as a crutch.
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People are terribly miseducated about MLK. He was so radical at that time, they killed him. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are alive and well today.
MLK was about to launch a major campaign that would have called for a massive redistribution of wealth in this country about the time he was killed. Anti-discrimination laws were just one part of what he wanted to accomplish.
I don't dispute that, but he was not about complaining about oppression, but was preaching self improvement.
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tubucoco -
so he spouts some bull shite at the end of his paragraph and you salute him brilliant, I just don't find it fair to attack someone about a time that none of us know anything about, didn't live in those times, don't know the hostilty people face in those times , so you just can't come right out and call someone a racist extremist without the whole picture.
I would say calling white men the devil is racist, extremist, no matter when you did it.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:04 pm to 225Tiger
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I didn't know...by the look of it there's some very weird shite in that main link on all types of things.
Looks like Pandora's box of Psychobabble.
Apparently the guy who runs that site is a wannabe psychologist who was going to be tried for hate speech in Britain (i can't don't like that law though as a libertarian), and sought asylum in the US but was denied.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:10 pm to dukke v
In the bigger scope of things...there's plenty of professional athletes besides Ali, some the greatest of their sport were POS in one area or another during their life. Many times the press or media in certain cities would protect them by keeping things out of the press b/c of what they did as an athlete.
It's still true today for athletes at all levels from professional down through high school and some lower than that...they may be one way on the field or court, but in real life they're a jackass or scum of the earth.
It's still true today for athletes at all levels from professional down through high school and some lower than that...they may be one way on the field or court, but in real life they're a jackass or scum of the earth.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:11 pm to dukke v
quote:my earlier post was in reference of you condoning someone who was basically sayin Ali was a racist for callin the white man the devil and all that without knowing the full details, I issued an apology, I don't like to get into the race thing myself, but you can't just come right out and call the man a racist without knowing what he was attempting to do back then.
So why make your earliar post?????
This post was edited on 1/10/09 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:14 pm to tubucoco
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Why is Muhammad Ali so revered when he is a racist POS?
Have you ever seen that HBO special about the first fight with Frazier at MSG? I always say if I had been alive then and aware of the situation, I would have cared more about Frazier winning that fight than any other sports outcome I have ever cared about.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:16 pm to Roaad
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Judging by the rhetoric they spew, I'd say they are eerily similar.
They have had some extreme beliefs but I don't see them as they poweful. For years, the Klan could kill and bomb with no repercussions. I don't see the NOI as a group that terrorizes folk.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:18 pm to Tiger JJ
Frazier did when that first fight, as a matter of fact, broke Ali's jaw.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:19 pm to tubucoco
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Why is Muhammad Ali so revered when he is a racist POS?
Have you ever seen that HBO special about the first fight with Frazier at MSG? I was always say if I had been alive then and aware of the situation, I would have cared more about Frazier winning that fight than any other sports outcome I have ever cared about.
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