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Which stats are most important in baseball?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:29 pm
Win/loss record for pitching is useless. I think WHIP and era are important. Hitting average, on base, OPS and slugging. To tell the strength of a team overall run differential is good. What are some other important stats?
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:31 pm to SlowEasyConfident
I like OPS.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:31 pm to SlowEasyConfident
On base is pretty good.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:34 pm to BayouBengals03
OPS is a good idea but it's kinda flawed. You want to look at OBP, which itself is flawed but it's the best we have for putting weight of getting on base, and ISO
For overal offensive performance it wRC+ but xwOBA is a pretty good stat as well
For overal offensive performance it wRC+ but xwOBA is a pretty good stat as well
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:34 pm to SlowEasyConfident
OPS, Slugging %, wrc+ are good for hitters
ERA, WHIP, xFIP for pitchers.
WAR is a decent barometer for both and BABIP can be important to explain a hitter or pitcher's numbers
ERA, WHIP, xFIP for pitchers.
WAR is a decent barometer for both and BABIP can be important to explain a hitter or pitcher's numbers
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:34 pm to SlowEasyConfident
quote:whip is fine, I think fip and xfip are better stats than ERA but ERA obviously has its merits
I think WHIP and era are important
For nit picking pitchers, k-bb% and swinging strike% are big
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:36 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Are you talking a stat for an individual or for the team?
If you are talking strength of a team overall, pitchers' win/loss record would be the most important stat.
If I'm the GM, I will take the staff that has the best win/loss record, you can have overall run differential. My team wins the division.
If you are talking strength of a team overall, pitchers' win/loss record would be the most important stat.
If I'm the GM, I will take the staff that has the best win/loss record, you can have overall run differential. My team wins the division.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:36 pm to WestCoastAg
what are the general flaws in OPS?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:37 pm to Lester Earl
I think slugging percent is a flawed stat. Especially when you have a stat like ISO that eliminates the chance of hitting a lot of singles from increasing your slugging percent. I just think that a combination stat of OBP and ISO is better than OBP and slugging
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:02 pm to WestCoastAg
Team wins
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:05 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Risp avg.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:08 pm to Gtothemoney
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Risp avg.
Yeah. Whenever a team is stuggling its hitting with RISP is usually shite
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:17 pm to BayouBengals03
OPS+
eta: Apparently Keith Law explains in his new book why OPS is flawed
eta: Apparently Keith Law explains in his new book why OPS is flawed
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:18 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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ERA, WHIP, xFIP for pitchers.
I don't know what xFIP is.
I do know that K's per inning is very important to pro scouts in addition to ERA and WHIP
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:19 pm to SlowEasyConfident
On base and rbis and era.If we aren't counting wins.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:22 pm to LSU GrandDad
there is a stat called FIP. it stands for fielding independent of pitching. what it does is that it assumes that every single pitcher will have the average result on balls that are put in play and it only looks at a pitchers strike out rate, home run rate, and walk rate. from those numbers, it tells you what a pitchers ERA should look like
xFIP takes that a step further. since home run rate is weighted the most in the FIP stat, xFIP assumes that not only does the pitcher have average results on balls put in play, but that a pitcher has average results on how many home runs he gives up by looking at how many fly balls that he surrenders. its a stat that attempts to tell how a pitcher "should" be performing
xFIP takes that a step further. since home run rate is weighted the most in the FIP stat, xFIP assumes that not only does the pitcher have average results on balls put in play, but that a pitcher has average results on how many home runs he gives up by looking at how many fly balls that he surrenders. its a stat that attempts to tell how a pitcher "should" be performing
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:24 pm to Lester Earl
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what are the general flaws in OPS?
OPS is OBP + SLG. It's a good stat but kind of flawed in that it values a double exactly twice as much as a single when it is actually worth a little bit more than twice as much as a single. That's why sabermetricians came up with wOBA, and then further improved it with wRC and wRC+.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:25 pm to Lester Earl
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what are the general flaws in OPS
It overweights slugging and underweights OBP. I don't think it's a terrible stat or anything, but wOBA and wRC+ are better stats (albeit not quite as simple) to judge hitters.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:25 pm to SlowEasyConfident
I like wOBA when evaluating a hitter(no defense). wRC+ is also great, IMO. It adjusts for parks and league averages.
For pitchers, xFIP & good ole fashion WAR is a great indicator too. ERA can't be totally disregarded, but the above two do a better job.
For pitchers, xFIP & good ole fashion WAR is a great indicator too. ERA can't be totally disregarded, but the above two do a better job.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:26 pm to The Seaward
quote:this as well. i believe OBP has proven to be twice as valuable as slugging and it weighs them equally
It overweights slugging and underweights OBP.
plus i just think ISO is a better stat for quantifying power
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