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Posted on 8/11/16 at 8:34 pm to TigerintheNO
when considering pitching you have to divide them into two groups at a minimum
up to '68 and "69 to present
up to '68 and "69 to present
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 8:39 pm to 225bred
His record was very meh.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 8:43 pm to 225bred
Nolan Ryan is GOAT
Posted on 8/11/16 at 8:51 pm to 225bred
Top 2-3 throwers of all time.
Top 40 pitcher. Maybe a little lower. Control issues and hittable when not on.
At his best on any given at bat? Best ever.
Top 40 pitcher. Maybe a little lower. Control issues and hittable when not on.
At his best on any given at bat? Best ever.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:34 pm to SmackoverHawg
Smackoverhawg got it right. Saw him pitch in relief against the Cardinals in '69. He looked unhittable while warming up but then walked Brock and gave up a double to Mike Shannon that left the bat faster than it came in. Very enigmatic pitcher but a beast when at his best.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:52 pm to Mahootney
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Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Warren Spahnn, Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Bob Feller, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton, Bob Gibson, Cy Young, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Left Grove & Eddie Plank.
Then you can even get into the pitchers that had a more dominant peak like Glavine, Blyleven, Hershiser, Schilling, Pettitte, Eckersley, and Koufax.
that settles it. and you left out pitcher for Boston Jim Lonborg. Won Cy Young in 67. In Dec 67 he tore ligaments skiing. We are leaving out a pitcher for the Orioles. Jim Palmer 3 Cy Youngs
I saw Spahn, Koufax, Gibson and then all the modern ones.
A lot of those guys could DEAL.
Moving the ball around. Spahn. Carlton.
Koufax curve at it best.
Pedro's best was the best. (of the modern guys)
Ryan top 10 of his era.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:05 pm to 225bred
He's easily top 10. Easily. He was still pumping in 100 mph fastballs in his 40s, had good off speed and had more Ks than anyone. Hardly his fault he played for shite teams and ended up with a bunch of losses (also to be expected given his longevity).
Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:12 am to 225bred
I'll take Steve Carlton any day over Ryan.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 12:22 am to 225bred
Top 20
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:13 am to okietiger
Saw Nolan Ryan pitch in person many times. Especially during the "86 run. He's the best ever in the modern era. Stats are great when comparing players, but the sound of the ball hitting the glove, the intimidation factor, his competitiveness and the excitement of the crowd when he pitched can not be measured by record books.
When he and Tom Seaver were battling for all time strikeout leader, they battled for a year or two. Then Nolan dug deep and kept working away to solidity his spot in the record books while Seaver retired.
When he and Tom Seaver were battling for all time strikeout leader, they battled for a year or two. Then Nolan dug deep and kept working away to solidity his spot in the record books while Seaver retired.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:40 am to 225bred
These things always are interesting from the perspective that when considering the number of people that have pitched and played the game throughout history, we are arguing over whether the guy is top 5, top 10, top 25 or as low as top 50.
He is top twenty five given his length of time in the game, strikeouts, freak velocity that he had for so long, but played on some bad teams, walked too many hitters and lost too many games.
He is top twenty five given his length of time in the game, strikeouts, freak velocity that he had for so long, but played on some bad teams, walked too many hitters and lost too many games.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:45 am to 225bred
Satchel was better
Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:15 am to 225bred
Agreed top 5
Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:27 am to montana
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When he and Tom Seaver were battling for all time strikeout leader, they battled for a year or two
That was Carlton and Ryan not Seaver.
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 8:28 am
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:41 am to Overbrook
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Not particularly high. A k is just an out.
That's retarded. It's an out that has virtually no chance of moving base runners. It's an out that defeats the batters rhythm.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:08 pm to OceanMan
Randy and Pedro are 1 and 1a bc of what era they dominated. Maddux is up there too. To dominate an era when everyone was juicing and hitting ridiculous home runs, Luis Gonzalez ripped 56 one year for Christ sake. Then a guy like kershaw the last few years he's had are better than any Nolan had. That's 4 guys recently, then you throw in guys like bob Gibson or Koufax or any others and Nolan is not too 5 by any means.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 3:24 pm to dabigfella
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Randy and Pedro are 1 and 1a bc of what era they dominated.
It is amazing that Clemens could win 7 Cy Youngs while pitching in the same league as those two.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:37 pm to okietiger
Since baseball was integrated
Pedro
Koufax
Maddox
Gibson
Clemens
Carlton
Mariano
Seaver
Ford
Halladay
Palmer
Unit
Eckersley
Smoltz
Schilling
are all ahead for sure
Pedro
Koufax
Maddox
Gibson
Clemens
Carlton
Mariano
Seaver
Ford
Halladay
Palmer
Unit
Eckersley
Smoltz
Schilling
are all ahead for sure
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:52 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Since baseball was integrated
NO Glavine???? hmmmmmm..............
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