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re: What in the world is going down in Waco? (Update: Player found guilty of sexual assault)
Posted on 8/20/15 at 8:29 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 8/20/15 at 8:29 pm to Dr RC
Good. I hope he goes to jail for a long long time. TPOS.
Here in lies the big question.
Baylor Associate Dean Beth McCraw stated in court yesterday that she was unable to get records from Boise State that prosecutors say show Ukwuachu has a history of violence against women.
His ex-girlfriend at Boise testified she never reported to the police his previous abusive history with her.
This doesn't address what Briles knew at the time but I think it is a place to start at. Briles should have to answer questions as to what he knew before Sam transferred in.
Now the Texas Monthly article did indicate there was communication between Baylor and Boise State.
I would be very interested to see what the communication between the two schools looked like.
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I'd love to know what they knew at the time of the transfer. Did they knowingly welcome a proven dangerous person onto the campus?
Here in lies the big question.
Baylor Associate Dean Beth McCraw stated in court yesterday that she was unable to get records from Boise State that prosecutors say show Ukwuachu has a history of violence against women.
His ex-girlfriend at Boise testified she never reported to the police his previous abusive history with her.
This doesn't address what Briles knew at the time but I think it is a place to start at. Briles should have to answer questions as to what he knew before Sam transferred in.
Now the Texas Monthly article did indicate there was communication between Baylor and Boise State.
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So were the following facts: That Ukwuachu transferred to Baylor in May 2013 because he had been kicked off the Boise State team for a previous incident of violence involving a female student; that Ukwuachu claimed after the transfer was announced that Baylor’s coaches “knew everything” about what happened in Idaho; and, as indicated by court documents obtained by Texas Monthly, the two programs had some communication regarding Ukwuachu in which Boise State officials expressed reticence about supporting the player’s efforts to get back on the field.
I would be very interested to see what the communication between the two schools looked like.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 8:34 pm
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Posted on 8/20/15 at 9:01 pm to BeYou
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This doesn't address what Briles knew at the time but I think it is a place to start at. Briles should have to answer questions as to what he knew before Sam transferred in.
Ukwuachu himself said that Baylor knew about all of his problems at Boise.
I guess Briles can deny it but it's pretty hard to believe that Baylor wouldn't do its due diligence investigating why a player of SW's caliber would be kicked off the Boise team.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 9:08 pm to Dr RC
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Ukwuachu himself said that Baylor knew about all of his problems at Boise.
Correct. Are we to believe him though? I'd bet that many that didn't believe him pre-trial about his role in the rape will now suddenly believe he is telling the truth in that instance. Dude certainly had anger issues, but also struggled with depression.
Briles and the atletic department certainly need to answer for what they knew about his past. It would also be nice to hear from Boise as to what they told Baylor - although they do not need to be dragged into this nor do I expect this of them.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:32 pm to BeYou
ketch just wants to ask the hard questions
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Geoff Ketchum ?@gkketch 3h3 hours ago
Geoff Ketchum retweeted Tommy Witherspoon
Time to ask Art some questions.
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Geoff Ketchum ?@gkketch 3h3 hours ago
Honestly, it's not just Art. The university has a lot to answer for. Its investigation was laughable and it left a women hanging in the wind
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:48 pm to WestCoastAg
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ketch just wants to ask the hard questions
Ketch
But really. It does need to be looked at across the nation, how are these investigations to be handled. Your asking a college to investigate without any subpoena power nor the ability to put people under oath. This doesn't mean an effective investigation can't be done, but it does limit the college.
We see that in this exact case. Baylor had Sam's roommate testify in the internal investigation. Sam's roommate lied about it. His testimony was key in today's trial and was likely key in the internal investigation. Now, could Baylor go back and punish his roommate for not telling the truth? Certainly, but he is no longer at the school and it wasn't revealed until today that he lied about it (the prosecution provided cell phone record evidence that seriously caste doubt on the notion that he was home. However, schools do not have access to this information).
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:26 pm to BeYou
Ketch was all over the airwaves this afternoon with this gem of an interview with Barry Warner
8/20/15 Hour 2.....FF to 20:00 min to hear the fireworks
8/20/15 Hour 2.....FF to 20:00 min to hear the fireworks
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:28 pm to WestCoastAg
Good to know he's still alive
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:31 pm to Uncle Stu
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Ketch was all over the airwaves this afternoon with this afternoon with this gem of an interview with Barry Warner
He is really pushing the "Fire Briles" train.
Did Briles know that Sam U would be a danger to female students prior to offering him a scholarship at Baylor. This is a question he must answer though.
If he did know of Sam U past violence towards women and he still allowed for him to come on campus, then he put other Baylor students in danger and will have to answer for that (with possibly his job).
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:36 pm to BeYou
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Did Briles know that Sam U would be a danger to female students prior to offering him a scholarship at Baylor.
only a few people can answer that
but.....how much due diligence must Briles do in calling Boise to find out what happened?
how much common coach courtesy should Boise do in revealing issues privately to Baylor?
what should Baylor infer when Boise refused to support the waiver?
if Briles knew something, he is guilty of endangering the female students on his own campus....and he probably will pay for it with his job, should that sort of info surface. Baylor can likely not afford this intense bad PR
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:37 pm to BeYou
quote:shocker
He is really pushing the "Fire Briles" train.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:43 pm to Uncle Stu
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how much due diligence must Briles do in calling Boise to find out what happened?
how much common coach courtesy should Boise do in revealing issues privately to Baylor?
what should Baylor infer when Boise refused to support the waiver?
if Briles knew something, he is guilty of endangering the female students on his own campus....and he probably will pay for it with his job, should that sort of info surface. Baylor can likely not afford this intense bad PR
I agree with all of this. Those first 3 questions are key. This isn't a issue of whether Baylor covered up a rape investigation - which is what it was originally made out to be by the Deadspin and Texas Monthly article. We're talking about a school that kicked Josh Gordon out for possessing marijuana and another top recruit (Robbie Rhodes) for a failed marijuana test. We aren't going to cover up a rape investigation (yes, I am aware of our history with Dave Bliss which was 12 years ago under a completely different athletic department).
Instead, this is an issue of whether Baylor (specifically Briles and the athletic department) looked past the history or Sam U and allowed him onto campus because of his football abilities - which in turn put Baylor students at risk.
Negligence in due diligence is also not a valid defense IMO.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:41 am to BeYou
coming in late here, but glad justice was served out here. There's no need for this shite on campuses and it's getting really old with how colleges, including my alma mater handled it.
The real reason i'm posting is in response to those saying Briles is slime. I lived in Stephenville, the high school he coached, for several years and that couldn't be further from the truth. I've known him for a good while now, but i did not meet him until after he took the HC job at BU. he's honestly a great guy. One of my best friends in high school signed there in Briles' second year and that was how I met him when I first started school there. Unless you know the guy personally i don't think it's fair to judge his character. He's a fiery coach, but doesn't make him a slimeball off the field.
I obviously don't have any knowledge about the recruiting of this kid, but I would assume that they went through hurdles to make sure he wouldn't be a threat, but hey, I mean i guess crazier shite has happened. Maybe he did just dick this one up.
The real reason i'm posting is in response to those saying Briles is slime. I lived in Stephenville, the high school he coached, for several years and that couldn't be further from the truth. I've known him for a good while now, but i did not meet him until after he took the HC job at BU. he's honestly a great guy. One of my best friends in high school signed there in Briles' second year and that was how I met him when I first started school there. Unless you know the guy personally i don't think it's fair to judge his character. He's a fiery coach, but doesn't make him a slimeball off the field.
I obviously don't have any knowledge about the recruiting of this kid, but I would assume that they went through hurdles to make sure he wouldn't be a threat, but hey, I mean i guess crazier shite has happened. Maybe he did just dick this one up.
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 12:44 am
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:44 am to McCaigBro69
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I've known him for a good while now, but i did not meet him until after he took the HC job at BU.
You don't know shite.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:45 am to texashorn
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You don't know shite.
Lol okay chief. I'm not saying I grew up with the guy, but I've known him since 2009. Six years isn't nothing.
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 12:47 am
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:46 am to McCaigBro69
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McCaigBro69
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Lol okay chief.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:51 am to McCaigBro69
Your definition of "known" seems pretty weak. People's public persona is usually much different than behind closed doors. Coaches are bullshite artists.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:54 am to texashorn
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Your definition of "known" seems pretty weak. People's public persona is usually much different than behind closed doors. Coaches are bull shite artists.
I was a walk on at BU for a semester until I blew my knee. So I'd assume I know a tad bit more than you do. But please, explain everything to us.
ETA: I don't really care what you think, I know more than you do, at least about Art Briles, and that isn't in question. This kid sucks and got what he deserves.
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 12:59 am
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:59 am to McCaigBro69
Well, you didn't say that. I will defer to your judgment. I will give Briles credit, he's loyal to Baylor.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 1:06 am to texashorn
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Well, you didn't say that. I will defer to your judgment. I will give Briles credit, he's loyal to Baylor.
Haha it's fine. I don't like to mention it since it wasn't for too long. Like I said though, that was before the program got to this point. In the competitiveness maybe it's changed how they view some recruits. It's certainly possible they dropped the ball. We need to figure that out.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 4:58 am to texashorn
I know Briles. He is a not a good guy.
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