re: Wes Welker and the New England Patriots

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Again focusing on 1 or 2 drops a game, have they come in what you perceive big moments, maybe. However, he isn't the only one dropping passes I've watched Pats postseason games and I've seen others drop passes so it isn't just Welker dropping them.

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Of course he isn't the only one that drops passes, but the thing is, as I've mentioned before, they usually come on crucial moments. There's a difference between dropping a pass on 1st down, and dropping a pass when you need to keep the drive going.

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You have no idea if they "need" him or not. He is a security blanket for Brady and a reliable option for him. Gronk and Hernandez are a nice luxury to have but one or other seems to always be injured and no one in NE has stepped up to show they can replicate what Welker has done.

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That still doesn't mean they need him. Brady had to work with a brutal receiving corps in 2006 and still led the Pats to a 12-4 record and the AFCCG (would have gone to SB XLI had the defense not blown an 18-point lead). Brady has a knack for molding young/no-name receivers into solid contributors. Ideally, I'd like to see the Pats rebuild the WR position by signing a couple of solid, inexpensive receivers, and drafting one of the top wideouts. There's zero doubt that the offense can still thrive sans Welker.

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You really want to compare a 30 year old Brandon Lloyd and Percy Harvin? Really?

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It isn't like Lloyd isn't talented in what he does, Harvin is younger and better equipped for what he does. Wouldn't exactly compare them since they are completely different players, however, prior to season McDaniels was suppose to transform Lloyd back into the receiver he was in Denver, because he knew how to use those talents. However, the systems NE ran really didn't cater to them and is a bit different than what they ran with Moss imo.

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but having a guy to back the safeties up would be great. Hes one of the fastest players in the game, i think hed do just fine with Brady.

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He may, or he may just become a high priced decoy who disappears for games like he does with the Steelers as he had several games with 3 or less catches. Some he hurt the opposition, some he didn't

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they usually come on crucial moments

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Will you clarify crucial moments? Are they moments when you believe they are crucial? IF a pass is dropped in endzone in first quarter is it less important than a 3rd down dropped in the 4th quarter? Why is one more crucial than the other? Or does crucial only mean late in games when trailing or small lead?

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There's a difference between dropping a pass on 1st down, and dropping a pass when you need to keep the drive going.

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Not exactly, catch a pass on first down you may never see third down.

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Brady had to work with a brutal receiving corps in 2006 and still led the Pats to a 12-4 record and the AFCCG (would have gone to SB XLI had the defense not blown an 18-point lead)

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So you expect the #6 defense to come back and save NE? The defense isn't exactly a strong suit in NE right now....

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Brady has a knack for molding young/no-name receivers into solid contributors

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Really who? Welker.... Name another receiver with 50 catches (none TE) who was a relative unknown?

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I'd like to see the Pats rebuild the WR position by signing a couple of solid, inexpensive receivers,

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Even that hasn't worked well for NE recently as Chad Johnson and Lloyd have been failures so much so they've had to retread Deion Branch

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Exactly my point. I want a downfield threat for that price tag. Ill admit Wallace had a case of the drops this season as well but it adds a dynamic that Pats havent had since 08. Ill take that cost

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Is that even what they want to run now? You had a great downfield guy in Lloyd but Brady seemed much more comfortable dinking and dunking.

no flame but was Welker productive in Miami? Office shuts down all sports sites so I cant see the stats


Or was he another product of the system

Well he only started 1 season with them (2 years) and had 67 receptions for almost 700 yards

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Again, were comparing Ryan Swope an unproved rookie with concussion issues, to Percy Harvin

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It's truly hilarious that you call people out for comparing a nobody to a good player when earlier in the thread you were comparing Julian fricking Edleman to Wes Welker.

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You keep trying to make points about how bad he is when the numbers directly prove otherwise. You keep talking about other players you'd rather them sign/keep, when none of their numbers combined match Welker's numbers. It's like you just randomly hate Wes Welker.

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Welker is one of my favorite players, i just dont think hed be worththe 11 million dollars his Franchise tag would cost and obviously the Pats agree

So when i praise a Patriots player (which i do often on this board) im an irrational homer. But if i point out a negative about a Patriots player, i hate him

Awesome how that works,

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The Kansas City Chiefs made sure that wide receiver Dwayne Bowe wasn't going anywhere. And they didn't have to use the franchise tag.


Albert Breer of NFL.com reported, via a source involved in the deal, that Bowe and the Chiefs reached a new five-year contract on Monday. ESPN first reported the news.

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Financial terms still are unclear, but it's safe to say Bowe will be one of the highest paid wide receivers in the NFL

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