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re: Warriors should be scared part two

Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by UNO
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:59 pm to
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rebounding advantage, ability to switch screens (if they need to) without doubling because their bigs can somewhat hold their own on the perimeter, that same pick and roll defense gives them a better shot to limit draymond, a guy like russ fighting those screens, also just his ability to guard curry a lot better than most players, they have 2 absolute stud superstars that can create and score from anywhere on the court at any time (and that counts a ton in the playoffs when the game slows down a bit and you need guys who can create and get to the free throw line)

this was my original post about where i think the thunder can do well in this series. i said their bigs can somewhat hold their own on the perimeter. if you thought i meant kanter, i honestly didn't think i had to specify. ibaka and adams are certainly decent. that article i posted outlined how they performed pretty well in game 1.

and it's more so just about being able to switch if they need to. if i'm the thunder, i'm just trying to make sure i don't have to double curry and so he can get the ball to draymond in that little 4-on-3 the warriors like to get everyone stuck in with shooters all around him. curry's hockey assists. ideally russ stays with curry. if you need to switch, ibaka and adams are the types of players who can do it decently.

as for rebounding, it's not like the warriors were some juggernaut offensive rebounding team this year, but the thunder being able to win the rebounding battle and get more possessions certainly helps.

i like russ on curry. curry will hit ridiculous shots and make anyone look stupid sometimes. but in the end, i'll take russ' athleticism and length. plus, if curry has to spend some possessions guarding russ at the other end and expending energy, that doesn't hurt either.

and then the 2 superstar in the playoff advantage is pretty easy. game usually becomes more half court. two guys who are really good and can score in a bunch of different ways and get to the free throw line are going to be valuable.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:11 pm to
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So no, all of these mismatches you guys want to go on about literally did not show up, statistically, until last night. Across the board the thunder posted negative +/-'s whenever they wanted to go small and the Warriors posted positive +/-'s whenever they went small

whatever you wanna think.

He didn't "think" anything in that quote, he gave you data.
Posted by theducks
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:12 pm to
I get what you're saying. The Thunder might've found gold with this lineup. GS didn't know what they had until last playoffs. OKC's lineup didn't fare well in stretches in the regular season but so far they might've found the right combination. I also agree with WCA. We can't just throw out the Warriors now. There's a reason why their team won 73 games and were looked at to be almost a lock to make the finals dispite having to play OKC/SA.

Westbrook went from underrated to insanely overrated on this board. All it takes is a 7/20 game and some hiccups in the Thunder offense and they're in rough waters.
Posted by UNO
Member since Mar 2015
4961 posts
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:14 pm to
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He didn't "think" anything in that quote, he gave you data.

data about +/- stats when the thunder go small, when that was never a point i made. i never mentioned the word "small" and thunder" in the same thought process in this entire thread. i think he's combining arguments with me and the op.

i said i think the thunder's big guys can somewhat defend on the perimeter if they get caught in switching situations. that's it.
Posted by UNO
Member since Mar 2015
4961 posts
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:18 pm to
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We can't just throw out the Warriors now.

i am not throwing out the warriors. i think i said in this thread that they still may very well win this series.
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and were looked at to be almost a lock to make the finals dispite having to play OKC/SA.

although most thought this, i thought it was silly to assume they were a lock.
Posted by Javzz
Member since Jan 2006
1588 posts
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:25 pm to
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He didn't "think" anything in that quote, he gave you data.


I think any objective fan can appreciate the drive statistics has pushed in the NBA.. but how much can one really infer from such a small sample size as (small) parts of 3 games throughout a regular season??

You don't have enough examples to form a data set worthy of any significant analysis. And it really doesn't take into account any of the multiple outside variables that occur during a regular season(back to backs, injuries, shooting slumps, etc).
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110626 posts
Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:38 pm to
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I think any objective fan can appreciate the drive statistics has pushed in the NBA.. but how much can one really infer from such a small sample size as (small) parts of 3 games throughout a regular season?? You don't have enough examples to form a data set worthy of any significant analysis. And it really doesn't take into account any of the multiple outside variables that occur during a regular season(back to backs, injuries, shooting slumps, etc).
Sure, but that would also apply to the OP's assertions about the Thunder's small ball lineup to combat GS's lineup of death.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
A man more eviler than Skeletor.
Member since Feb 2005
50655 posts
Posted on 5/23/16 at 5:22 pm to
Sigh. OP said that the fact that OKC being able to win small in addition to their strength which is playing big is clearly troublesome for the Warriors who have thrived all season being able to outsmall everyone in the league by a record margin.

And if you look in my original post a few days ago you ll see the stuff about how Ibaka and Adams are two of the only bigs servicable in the perimeter vs GS. That their ability to play Kanter for any stretch would be s bonus.

Any time OKC can play the death lineup to a standstill is a win for OKC. Let alone a thrashing like last night. How do people not understand this.

Additionally how do people not understand that my series prediction includes a close win from the thunder AND another GS blow out.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 6:26 pm to
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i firmly believe the cavs would beat the warriors



quote:

I think the cavs have the best chance



Yet the Thunder has a 2-1 lead in the series... And it sounds like YOU have the Warriors already in the Finals..... Read your own sig quote..........
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110626 posts
Posted on 5/23/16 at 7:00 pm to
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Any time OKC can play the death lineup to a standstill is a win for OKC.
Who doesn't understand this?
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 5/23/16 at 7:04 pm to
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Who doesn't understand this?



that if OKC neutralizes Golden State's "Lineup of Death" (Green,Barnes,Iggy,Thompson,Curry) in any given spell during the game, OKC has gained the upper-hand.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Member since Feb 2005
50655 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 4:14 am to
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Who doesn't understand this?


apparently westcoastag
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 5:54 am to
Pretty sure that's not what he said at all. He's saying he doesn't think they have found the magic formula, that it was more of an aberration.
Now that may not be the case, but that's what he's saying.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 6:43 am to
Warriors still win the series

Again....I'm not a warriors fan, I just know more than you.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 6:44 am
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Member since Feb 2005
50655 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 7:06 am to
We ll see big E
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110626 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 7:30 am to
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apparently westcoastag
Nah. I don't recall him saying Warriors still roll if the GS lineup of death doesn't outdo the OKC lineup.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110626 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:28 pm to
Panic button - Activated!!!
Posted by UNO
Member since Mar 2015
4961 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:29 pm to
man, how crazy is it that the thunder are rolling with no matchup advantages?

no advantages at all. op is dumb.

the regular season means so much.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145056 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:53 pm to
you guys were right. i was wrong. it happens
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the regular season means so much.
still gives you a better picture
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 10:55 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:54 pm to
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apparently westcoastag

i never said that the warriors would win if the thunder continue to out play them when they go small
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