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re: Warriors should be scared part two
Posted on 5/23/16 at 9:43 am to UNO
Posted on 5/23/16 at 9:43 am to UNO
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warriors could very well win this series, but i feel like people are overvaluing them and giving them so much benefit of the doubt simply because they won 73 regular season games. at the end of the day, those wins don't really mean much right now. what matters most is the thunder having more than a handful of matchup advantages in this series
You're not wrong.
People see 73 wins and think can't conceive that this team could lose in the playoffs, even in the face of mounting evidence of their flaws.
At the beginning of the playoffs I was just hoping that someone might challenge them, but I didn't see who that could be. Things have changed. Intelligent people can adjust expectations based on new information and there's no weakness in doing that.
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 9:44 am
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 10:05 am to WestCoastAg
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except those didn't exist before tonight.
what?
rebounding advantage, ability to switch screens (if they need to) without doubling because their bigs can somewhat hold their own on the perimeter, that same pick and roll defense gives them a better shot to limit draymond, a guy like russ fighting those screens, also just his ability to guard curry a lot better than most players, they have 2 absolute stud superstars that can create and score from anywhere on the court at any time (and that counts a ton in the playoffs when the game slows down a bit and you need guys who can create and get to the free throw line)... the warriors have had a harder time against the thunder than other teams this season. those regular season games were very encouraging to the thunder i thought. really not surprised they're doing what they're doing in terms of competing. somewhat surprised with the 2-1 series lead.
the warriors aren't some unbeatable team. just like any team, if you can force them out of what they like to do best, they'll struggle. the thunder have been pretty successful at doing that against them this season. they really just didn't defend hard enough in the regular season and sucked at closing games. seems like they've improved in both of those areas. donovan deserves credit.
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/23/16 at 10:06 am to Goldrush25
agree
kinda how i feel
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Things have changed. Intelligent people can adjust expectations based on new information and there's no weakness in doing that.
kinda how i feel
Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:34 am to UNO
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By going ape shite you mean the unanimous MVP played like something you'd expect out of the unanimous MVP?
Steph had MVP numbers last night.
He didn't however score 17 points in a row. And the Warriors don't seem to need Steph to score 17 points in a row to beat or blow out most teams. In fact they didn't need him at all to beat Houston or to a lesser extent Portland.
Is it not starting to seem they need him at near best game in a unanimous MVP season to beat THIS version of the Thunder?
Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:39 am to shel311
quote:and even then it's pretty iffy because this is the first time the thunder have actually been able to "outdo" the warriors at going small
I literally said in that post you replied to there's more cause for concern now than before the series started. Literally
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 11:39 am
Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:42 am to UNO
quote:no they werent. They played one close game all year. The Warriors won by 8 and by 16 in their other two games. They shite the bed in game 1 and then blew OKC out in game 2. So no, all of these mismatches you guys want to go on about literally did not show up, statistically, until last night. Across the board the thunder posted negative +/-'s whenever they wanted to go small and the Warriors posted positive +/-'s whenever they went small
the warriors have had a harder time against the thunder than other teams this season. those regular season games were very encouraging to the thunder i though
Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:43 am to LSU Fan 90812
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Steph had MVP numbers last night.
He was 7/17 from the field
Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:44 am to LSU Fan 90812
quote:hahahah
Steph had MVP numbers last night.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:50 am to WestCoastAg
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no they werent. They played one close game all year. The Warriors won by 8 and by 16 in their other two games.
the game in golden state before the super bowl was tied with 3:25 remaining. that game was extremely competitive in the second half. thunder made a big comeback in that game, just like they did in game 1 of this series. perhaps it was a bit of a preview of what they were capable of against the warriors.
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They shite the bed in game 1 and then blew OKC out in game 2
or maybe the thunder made a lot of plays while golden state didn't play very well. kind of like what happened in that regular season game. only difference is that okc won a game that went down to the wire in game 1, and lost the game that went down to the wire in the regular season.
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So no, all of these mismatches you guys want to go on about literally did not show up, statistically, until last night. Across the board the thunder posted negative +/-'s whenever they wanted to go small and the Warriors posted positive +/-'s whenever they went small
whatever you wanna think.
and good thing i never mentioned anything about the thunder going small. i think their ability to guard in general is the biggest factor. with westbrook on the perimeter and their big guys guarding screens.
i bet you're one of those guys that thinks the cavs would have been worse off with irving and love last year in the finals because they would have had to play "the warriors' style" with those guys.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:58 am to 7Tiger7
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The rebounding margin battle is a HUGE factor imo...gm 2 I believe Warriors outrebounded OKC but gm 1&3 OKC had it
The rebounding battle is important, but the crux of this series, IMO, is based on the free-throw attempts. Whoever has the most free throw attempts has won each game so far, and it makes sense considering both teams are aggressive when they're doing well. If either team sits back and tries to win with jumpers, they're going to be beaten.
In GSW's Game 2 win, they had a 28 to 19 free throw advantage. In OKC's wins, they had a 32-17 FT advantage in Game 1 and a 37-25 FT advantage in Game 3. OKC is also shooting 78% from the line compared to only 70% for GSW, and OKC was 33 for 37 from the line last night which is filthy.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:59 am to WestCoastAg
Weird. He had 24 points and 5 assists. The exact average points he had last year during his first MVP season.
Maybe 24 points isn't good anymore.
Maybe 24 points isn't good anymore.
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:00 pm to UNO
quote:ok? The Warriors had a huge first half lead. The thunder got back in the game, and then the Warriors closed in out.
that game was extremely competitive in the second half. thunder made a big comeback in that game
quote:it's what the stats think
whatever you wanna think.
quote:except their bigs aren't great at guarding the P&R. They would need to go small like last night to let Durant and ibaka disrupt it. It worked last night. Never did so throughout the year
with westbrook on the perimeter and their big guys guarding screens.
quote:I literally said in this thread that the cavs are a bigger mismatch for the Warriors
i bet you're one of those guys that thinks the cavs would have been worse off with irving and love last year in the finals because they would have had to play "the warriors' style" with those guys.
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:01 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:something about going 7-17 and 3-11 from behind the arc really kinda puts that into perspective
Maybe 24 points isn't good anymore.
quote:and like 6 points below his average this year during his MVP campaign
The exact average points he had last year during his first MVP season.
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:05 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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He had 24 points and 5 assists.
Not to pile on, but he had 24 points on 41% shooting, including 3-11 from 3. He also had only 3 assists.
He was -39 in +/-. I think that might be the most insane state line you'll ever see from Golden State. Curry was -39, Thompson was -43, and Green was -46. Iggy was -33 and no other GSW player was worse than -9.
Ian Clark was +21 for GS last night.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:06 pm to UNO
The funny part is that these guys think that we re trying to say that this going small thing isn't a big deal. It's a huge deal BECAUSE it's new. And a completely different way of beating teams than before. They can now beat you big AND small. They are more versatile. This means they are more dangerous.
It's simple logic. If you're a swordsman who is amazing with his right hand. And the only chance of beating you is an opponent who forces you to fight left handed. He just makes the guy fight left handed and always wins. And then one day that swordsman improves and beats the opponent left handed.
Would that opponent not be worried when that swordsman defeated him? Or would he say, "well he didn't beat me before left handed before. Oh well"
It's simple logic. If you're a swordsman who is amazing with his right hand. And the only chance of beating you is an opponent who forces you to fight left handed. He just makes the guy fight left handed and always wins. And then one day that swordsman improves and beats the opponent left handed.
Would that opponent not be worried when that swordsman defeated him? Or would he say, "well he didn't beat me before left handed before. Oh well"
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:07 pm to slackster
Guys, curry last night was not the problem for this team.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:08 pm to slackster
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The rebounding battle is important, but the crux of this series, IMO, is based on the free-throw attempts.
i agree, i mentioned it a bit before.
westbrook and durant both can get to the line a lot. especially in slowed down games (although game 3 wasn't very slowed down). westbrook is by far the most explosive player on the court and creates tons of contact. durant gets to the line his fair share too, and i've always thought that he gets too many superstar calls.
warriors can obviously fall in love with the outside shot a lot sometimes. not really that bad considering they're the best shooting team ever, but they gotta get to the rim and seek contact and get to the line sometimes. like i don't feel like the free throws disparity is any result of poor officiating
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:11 pm to WestCoastAg
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ok? The Warriors had a huge first half lead.
game was tied with 3:25 left. not a close game though? so when the warriors build huge leads and blow them (which has happened twice in six games against the thunder this season), it's always just because the warriors sucked and let them back in it? no credit to the thunder? got it.
your hot takes on here are entertaining
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:13 pm to UNO
quote:NO ITS NOT
It's a huge deal BECAUSE it's new
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:13 pm to UNO
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it's always just because the warriors sucked and let them back in it? no credit to the thunder? got it.
quote:my hot takes on here have literally all been supported by stats
your hot takes on here are entertaining
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