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USGA Admits They Messed Up
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:45 pm
Lindsey just read a statement the USGA just released on ESPN. They admitted their heads where somewhere other than their shoulders. I'll post a link when I see the statement online.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:47 pm to COTiger
What did they fricking discover in 24 hrs?
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:47 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
in their handling of the situation, not in their decision to penalize dj a stroke ...
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:48 pm to Chad504boy
...sorta. They didn't admit to getting the call wrong, just that it was wrong the way they handled it.
USGA Statement Regarding Dustin Johnson Ruling
The USGA wishes to congratulate Dustin Johnson on his victory and thank him, and the other players in the field, for their professionalism and grace throughout the championship. Dustin is a wonderful champion, a talented golfer and a gentleman.
Our team at the USGA has seen and heard a great deal of discussion and debate about the ruling on Dustin's ball moving during the final round of the 2016 U.S. Open Championship at Oakmont Country Club. In addition to the explanations we offered upon the conclusion of the final round, we add these comments.
Upon reflection, we regret the distraction caused by our decision to wait until the end of the round to decide on the ruling. It is normal for rulings based on video evidence to await the end of a round, when the matter can be discussed with the player before the score card is returned. While our focus on getting the ruling correct was appropriate, we created uncertainty about where players stood on the leader board after we informed Dustin on the 12th tee that his actions on the fifth green might lead to a penalty. This created unnecessary ambiguity for Dustin and the other players, as well as spectators on-site, and those watching and listening on television and digital channels.
During any competition, the priority for Rules officials is to make the correct ruling for the protection of the player(s) involved and the entire field. In applying Rule 18-2, which deals with a ball at rest that moves, officials consider all the relevant evidence - including the player's actions, the time between those actions and the movement of the ball, the lie of the ball, and course and weather conditions. If that evidence, considered together, shows that it is more likely than not that the player's actions caused the ball to move, the player incurs a one-stroke penalty. Officials use this "more likely than not" standard because it is not always apparent what caused the ball to move. Such situations require a review of the evidence, with Decision 18-2/0.5 providing guidance on how the evidence should be weighed.
Our officials reviewed the video of Dustin on the fifth green and determined that based on the weight of the evidence, it was more likely than not that Dustin caused his ball to move. Dustin's putter contacted the ground at the side of the ball, and almost immediately after, the ball moved
We accept that not everyone will agree that Dustin caused his ball to move. Issues under Rule 18-2 often require a judgment where there is some uncertainty, and this was one of those instances. We also understand that some people may disagree with Rule 18-2 itself. While we respect the viewpoints of those who disagree, our Committee made a careful and collective judgment in its pursuit of a fair competition played under the Rules of Golf.
In keeping with our commitment to excellence in all aspects of our work on behalf of the game of golf, we pledge to closely examine our procedures in this matter. We will assess our procedures for handling video review, the timing of such, and our communication with players to make sure that when confronted with such a situation again, we will have a better process.
We at the USGA deeply appreciate the support of players, fans, and the entire golf community of our championships and our other work for golf - and we appreciate your feedback as well. We have established an email address (comments@usga.org) and phone mailbox (908-326-1857) to receive comments. We thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.
We all share an abiding love of this great game. Let us continue to work together for its good.
USGA Statement Regarding Dustin Johnson Ruling
The USGA wishes to congratulate Dustin Johnson on his victory and thank him, and the other players in the field, for their professionalism and grace throughout the championship. Dustin is a wonderful champion, a talented golfer and a gentleman.
Our team at the USGA has seen and heard a great deal of discussion and debate about the ruling on Dustin's ball moving during the final round of the 2016 U.S. Open Championship at Oakmont Country Club. In addition to the explanations we offered upon the conclusion of the final round, we add these comments.
Upon reflection, we regret the distraction caused by our decision to wait until the end of the round to decide on the ruling. It is normal for rulings based on video evidence to await the end of a round, when the matter can be discussed with the player before the score card is returned. While our focus on getting the ruling correct was appropriate, we created uncertainty about where players stood on the leader board after we informed Dustin on the 12th tee that his actions on the fifth green might lead to a penalty. This created unnecessary ambiguity for Dustin and the other players, as well as spectators on-site, and those watching and listening on television and digital channels.
During any competition, the priority for Rules officials is to make the correct ruling for the protection of the player(s) involved and the entire field. In applying Rule 18-2, which deals with a ball at rest that moves, officials consider all the relevant evidence - including the player's actions, the time between those actions and the movement of the ball, the lie of the ball, and course and weather conditions. If that evidence, considered together, shows that it is more likely than not that the player's actions caused the ball to move, the player incurs a one-stroke penalty. Officials use this "more likely than not" standard because it is not always apparent what caused the ball to move. Such situations require a review of the evidence, with Decision 18-2/0.5 providing guidance on how the evidence should be weighed.
Our officials reviewed the video of Dustin on the fifth green and determined that based on the weight of the evidence, it was more likely than not that Dustin caused his ball to move. Dustin's putter contacted the ground at the side of the ball, and almost immediately after, the ball moved
We accept that not everyone will agree that Dustin caused his ball to move. Issues under Rule 18-2 often require a judgment where there is some uncertainty, and this was one of those instances. We also understand that some people may disagree with Rule 18-2 itself. While we respect the viewpoints of those who disagree, our Committee made a careful and collective judgment in its pursuit of a fair competition played under the Rules of Golf.
In keeping with our commitment to excellence in all aspects of our work on behalf of the game of golf, we pledge to closely examine our procedures in this matter. We will assess our procedures for handling video review, the timing of such, and our communication with players to make sure that when confronted with such a situation again, we will have a better process.
We at the USGA deeply appreciate the support of players, fans, and the entire golf community of our championships and our other work for golf - and we appreciate your feedback as well. We have established an email address (comments@usga.org) and phone mailbox (908-326-1857) to receive comments. We thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.
We all share an abiding love of this great game. Let us continue to work together for its good.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:52 pm to MountainTiger
Our officials reviewed the video of Dustin on the fifth green and determined that based on the weight of the evidence, it was more likely than not that Dustin caused his ball to move. Dustin's putter contacted the ground at the side of the ball, and almost immediately after, the ball moved
that's such bs ... a putter on the side of the ball causes it to move, while the french guy has his putter behind the ball, soled, for several seconds when the ball moves, and he doesn't get penalized ...
asshats ...
that's such bs ... a putter on the side of the ball causes it to move, while the french guy has his putter behind the ball, soled, for several seconds when the ball moves, and he doesn't get penalized ...
asshats ...
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:56 pm to COTiger
Dumbasses. Some people should lose their jobs over this
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:03 pm to Bad Medicine
Can anyone recall a similar ruling/incident at a regular PGA Tour tournament? I can't.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:05 pm to COTiger
Heads must roll. That shite was terrible.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:13 pm to MountainTiger
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that it is more likely than not that the player's actions caused the ball to move,
That is the standard? More likely than not?
Holy shite
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:15 pm to COTiger
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Can anyone recall a similar ruling/incident at a regular PGA Tour tournament? I can't.
Lots of incidents where the player calls the penalty on himself but I can't think of one where the player called in an official, got a ruling and then had that ruling overturned on (sketchy at best) video evidence.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:16 pm to COTiger
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Can anyone recall a similar ruling/incident at a regular PGA Tour tournament? I can't.
none where there was this much "interpretation" involved ... most rulings, however arcane, are fairly straight forward and don't require "interpretation" by a "committee" ...
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:17 pm to bg22
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That is the standard? More likely than not?
Holy shite
Yeah, that's what I was saying in the other thread from this morning. The standard is "probable" not "conclusive" video evidence. I think if you're going to overturn a player's word and also an official's on-site ruling, you need conclusive evidence, which this clearly was not.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:20 pm to tiderider
They're so lucky that the finish didn't come down to one stroke.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:25 pm to COTiger
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Can anyone recall a similar ruling/incident at a regular PGA Tour tournament? I can't
Well also to be fair, the PGA has different rules officials. The USGA has more pretentious douchebags in it.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:26 pm to COTiger
Was the ball on the cart path?
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:27 pm to burdman
heard this story on PGA Tour Radio today
watson (denis) called in to the program and explained he didn't know what to day and turned to his playing partner and stated 'it's moving, so i'm not going to hit it' ... usga official comes running onto the green claiming a 2-stroke penalty ...
watson (denis) called in to the program and explained he didn't know what to day and turned to his playing partner and stated 'it's moving, so i'm not going to hit it' ... usga official comes running onto the green claiming a 2-stroke penalty ...
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:34 pm to MountainTiger
They've been getting raped on Twitter and Instagram by players and fans. Just damage control at this point.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:36 pm to MountainTiger
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They didn't admit to getting the call wrong, just that it was wrong the way they handled it.
of course they handled it wrong. but, like it or not, it was the right call. how in the hell did the ball move if he didn't cause it to?
that rule has got to change. a ball moving backward less than an inch does not affect the shot. really, what is the purpose of the rule? it has to be about players getting an advantage somehow. rules are made for a reason and they are important but the rule should be interpreted as either being relevant or not.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:39 pm to LSU GrandDad
the greens were 14 and severely sloped ... gravity? ... ...
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