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re: UFC 202 - August 20, 2016 - Vegas - PPV

Posted on 8/21/16 at 12:27 am to
Posted by Shoulderchoke
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 12:27 am to
quote:

and out struck him


Pretty sure Diaz out landed him by like 50
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 12:38 am to
Dom cruz talking shite
Posted by jackwoods4
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 1:00 am to
Diaz landed more, but he also threw a lot, lot more. They were pretty much equal in efficiency and Conor was more efficient on the significant strikes. The 3 knockdowns decided the fight. If Nate doesn't go down in the 2nd, he wins 48-47.
Posted by Shoulderchoke
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 1:02 am to
It was a close fight. There is always controversy when that happens
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 1:08 am to
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Looks like they arent having a post fight confeence like usual


new ownership not have it's act together?

I noticed Ari Emmanuel sitting by himself watching the prelims.
Posted by slapahoe
USA
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 1:10 am to
wheres the press conference?
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 1:12 am to
would be a colossal mistake if they did away w/ the post fight pressers.

Those are what got McGregor noticed by the fans in the first place.
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 1:25 am to
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Dom cruz talking shite


Yeah, he started kinda polite, but when his fellow analysts started pressing him, the claw came out, saying Team Alpha Male has collected a lot of checks to lose to him... Damn!

As far as Diaz v Conor, I lean towards Conor having won.

Round 1: Clearly Conor. Probably 10-9... possibly 10-8. Diaz was barely able to touch him + got damaged + got knocked down.

Round 2: I think Conor won, 10-9. He was clearly out-pointing Diaz for the first 3 minutes or so and, if I remember correctly, at least one of his knockdowns was in the second round, which gave him some cushion. Diaz won the last 90 seconds or so of the round and appeared to seize momentum. But I think some are giving too much credit to Diaz for the apparent emotional swing when it looked like the fight was about to slip away from Conor and he started looking gassed... Aside from maintaining cage control, though, I don't think Diaz did too much damage to Conor in this stretch and Conor was still scoring almost as many strikes as Diaz at the same time. I don't think Diaz did enough to overcome losing the first half of the round significantly.

3rd round: Clearly Diaz. At least 10-9, maybe 10-8.

4th round: I lean towards Conor, but not by a lot. If Conor won it, it was a close 10-9 round. He landed more strikes than Diaz and appeared to control most of the round.

5th round: Toss up. I thought Conor was again outpointing Diaz might have eked out another 10-9 round on strikes. I don't know how much credit take down defense is, but Conor stuffed a few take-down attempts and that is similar to maintaining control. When Diaz finally put him down, though, that may have been enough for Diaz to take the round.

In summary, I agree with those who say 1, 2 & 4 went to Conor.

Only other comment: Conor was sort of running the last couple rounds. But I think it's a gray area... he wasn't flat out running away to avoid fighting. What he was really doing each time, IMO, was getting off the cage to re-center himself in the middle of the cage, then he postured up and was more than happy to start trading with Nate again. If he had done this by side-stepping a couple of times, there'd be no criticism at all in my opinion. But instead of that, he turned his back and did a 3-5 step trot before turning back to Nate. Again, imo, I think he did it this way because 1) it consumed less energy to turn and take 3-4 steps instead of shuffling, and 2) he perhaps knew he could momentarily turn his back on Nate because Nate's right leg was too weakened to really spring on him if he did (he was always turning, jogging/walking, then re-setting towards the side of Nate's damaged leg.)

This is all speculation of course. In any case, it was a good fight.

Posted by ScrapPack
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 2:26 am to
Didn't see fight. But most of the twitter feeds I follow had Conor winning 48-47
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 2:29 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 2:30 am to
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Do people really think Diaz won the 2nd?

He definitely won 1, 2, and 4 and out struck him and did more damage. Nate was only able to deal damage when he pressed him against the fence. He pressed the whole fight with a fricked up face which will give him points from a fans perspective but just having heart dosent win you a fight



stats say you are wronggggggggg


LINK
Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 2:40 am to
Your own link says that he's right.

Rd 1 - 32 to 14 Conor
Rd 2 - 23 to 22 Conor
Rd 3 - 57 to 13 Nate
Rd 4 - 26 to 14 Conor
Rd 5 - 24 to 10 Nate
Posted by BadAgg7
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:03 am to
rd 2 also needs an asterisk that nate got put on his arse from punches two times in that round.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:09 am to
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Your own link says that he's right.

Rd 1 - 32 to 14 Conor
Rd 2 - 23 to 22 Conor
Rd 3 - 57 to 13 Nate
Rd 4 - 26 to 14 Conor
Rd 5 - 24 to 10 Nate



He said Connor out struck him, which is false.

Rounds 2 and 4 are wash. Nothing even happened in round 4.

But after half way through the 2nd Nate was the dominate fighter.
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 3:16 am
Posted by ScrapPack
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:15 am to
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He said Connor out struck him, which is false.


Which is one of the biggest problems with the 10 point must system. You can literally lose 2 rounds by one jab, and outstrike your opponent by 20 in the other round and lose the fight.
Posted by JohnnyQuid
Mississippi
Member since Nov 2015
126 posts
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:11 am to
quote:

a middle of the road fighter like Nate Diaz


nate diaz has been fighting in ufc for 10 years and never been knocked out. he's a gracie trained black belt in jiu jitsu.

he's more than a middle of the road no namer. he earned some respect tonight
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68435 posts
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:25 am to
I didn't watch it

But I figured out Ari Emmanuel is Rohm Emmanuel's brother. So I may not watch much more ufc ppv's now.
Posted by ScrapPack
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:12 am to
quote:

diaz has been fighting in ufc for 10 years and never been knocked out..


Josh Thompson. But yes, Nate is a very good fighter.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 8/21/16 at 6:15 am to
I don't have a problem with that. It's part of the strategy of the sport. You can win more games in tennis but still lose the match.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12602 posts
Posted on 8/21/16 at 7:36 am to
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I don't have a problem with that. It's part of the strategy of the sport. You can win more games in tennis but still lose the match


Ummm. What?
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 7:37 am to
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Ummm. What?


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