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thread #58082923954 about the fight... the judges are killing boxing
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:48 am
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:48 am
the three judges for every fight are rewarding the skills that casual fans really aren't paying to see... how much of this fight did Floyd spend backing up, not throwing? think about how they reward Klitschko's style. I wish there was a more concerted effort to reward the agressor and not give points for just moving and dancing
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:50 am to chalmetteowl
Big reason why MMA blew up over the past decade. If it's a pretty even fight the aggressor always gets the extra point
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:51 am to chalmetteowl
all sports trend to defensive styles. boxing is having major issues b/c of it. the HW division has been ugly for like 15 years
i don't know how you award "aggression" that doesn't really lead to anything....maybe Pride-style grading the entire fight
mayweather still wins that tonight, though. paq just didn't do enough. flurries of blows against mayweather's arms shouldn't be rewarded
i don't know how you award "aggression" that doesn't really lead to anything....maybe Pride-style grading the entire fight
mayweather still wins that tonight, though. paq just didn't do enough. flurries of blows against mayweather's arms shouldn't be rewarded
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:52 am to chalmetteowl
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think about how they reward Klitschko's style.
That's Wlad, Vitali was always the better boxer.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:53 am to jg8623
MMA has its own issues. the scoring has an inherent advantage for wrestlers. lay and pray with some leg humping is horrible
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:54 am to SlowFlowPro
look how many times Floyd was in the corner and Manny was fanning out from the middle... that's ring generalship
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:54 am to chalmetteowl
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I wish there was a more concerted effort to reward the agressor and not give points for just moving and dancing
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Mayweather landed 67 more punches than Pac.
You think Pac should have gotten more points just because he threw more punches?
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flurries of blows against mayweather's arms shouldn't be rewarded
Exactly.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 1:56 am
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:01 am to chalmetteowl
I'm not understanding how people can say this. He threw more punches, and he landed a much higher percent of them. Floyd didn't clinch nearly as much as a lot of heavyweight fighters, including Klitschko. Floyd didn't win because he pummeled Pacquiao. He won because he completely controlled the pace of the fight and was insane defensively, which are two of four major metrics of the scoring. Pac was somewhat aggressive, but it affected him negatively so you can't give him the edge there. It's a wash on clean punching. Mayweather didn't run from him. He sat in there getting lit up and making Pacquiao fight the way he wanted to fight it. It's not exciting to the average person, but the skill it takes for Mayweather to control a fighter like Pacquiao the way he did is insane.
The real issue is that people wanted to see Mayweather lose because of Mayweather the person and not Mayweather the boxer. Mayweather the person is a terrible human being, but that doesn't change the fact that Mayweather the boxer was clearly the better boxer at this point. Chances are that if we see this fight 5-6 years ago, we get the same exact result. Pac may not be AS cautious since he hadn't been KO'ed yet, but Mayweather was the same boxer he's always been and beat him statistically in terms of punches thrown and percentage connected.
The real issue is that people wanted to see Mayweather lose because of Mayweather the person and not Mayweather the boxer. Mayweather the person is a terrible human being, but that doesn't change the fact that Mayweather the boxer was clearly the better boxer at this point. Chances are that if we see this fight 5-6 years ago, we get the same exact result. Pac may not be AS cautious since he hadn't been KO'ed yet, but Mayweather was the same boxer he's always been and beat him statistically in terms of punches thrown and percentage connected.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 2:02 am
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:05 am to Dijkstra
Everything you said is true, but his style of fighting hurts boxing. Casual fans don't want to see that. Once Floyd is gone it's over. It's over now but he will get a little hype for his last fight.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:07 am to Dijkstra
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Mayweather was the same boxer he's always been
This. People don't seem to understand that this is his style of boxing. It's why he is undefeated.
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and beat him statistically in terms of punches thrown and percentage connected.
This as well. All I'm hearing is "Floyd just danced around and avoided Pacquiao".
Floyd was vastly more efficient than Pacquiao and certainly more accurate. Floyd controlled that fight and forced Pacquiao to fight FMM's fight.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:12 am to dcrews
Yes that's right, but I don't want to watch a guy use a hammer and finely pull nails out out of a 2x4 while he tears down a small building. I want to see a wrecking ball level a 5-story building with explosions.
Floyd always fights defensively and with no aggression. He never fights, just boxes. But I think people need to understand that with the magnitude and hype of this fight, all of boxing was on display tonight and it's future greatly depended on it. In this aspect the fight failed miserably despite all of Floyd's great boxing.
Floyd always fights defensively and with no aggression. He never fights, just boxes. But I think people need to understand that with the magnitude and hype of this fight, all of boxing was on display tonight and it's future greatly depended on it. In this aspect the fight failed miserably despite all of Floyd's great boxing.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:15 am to WalkingTurtles
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Everything you said is true, but his style of fighting hurts boxing.
How is it any difference than someone hating MMA because they think it's boring when they go to the ground? I just think it's another case of people being sucked into a big event that they know nothing about and forming their opinion based on narrative alone. They focused on everything but fighting styles when anyone who had a clue knew this was how the fight would likely end up.
There is not a person on Earth who has seen Floyd Mayweather in the ring who expected him to do anything else. To discount him as a fighter because he rendered Pacquiao's offense useless for the most part is just plain ignorance of how tough it was to do. Only two other people have ever beat Pacquiao, and one of those was basically a fluke. If it was that easy to do what Mayweather did, why is Pac so successful? I think boxing will continue on exactly as it did before this fight, and people who never really cared about the sport are going to move on. It sucks to not have growth, but you can't change the sport because people ignore everything but how many times someone swings.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:18 am to WalkingTurtles
All this fight did was put the nail in the coffin for boxing. All of the old time greats are gone And this was the end of an era like it or not.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:24 am to Dijkstra
Boxing is entertainment. It's prize fighting. It relies on tickets and ratings and PPV buys and sponsors to create lucrative prizes for top level fighters.
Floyd averaged 12 punches landed a round, Manny averaged almost 7 let's say 6 1/2. At no point were neither of them hurt or close to being hurt and both walked out smiling with no visible damage whatsoever. That's not a fight or entertaining. Yeah we can all agree it's great defensive boxing but that will not help the sport grow.
And since Floyd and Manny are all but done it desperately needs to grow. Wilder is the big hope but I believe Klitschko is gonna give him the ol jab and clinch treatment on his way to another predictable win. After that who's left? Boxing needed a good fight and got a snoozer.
Most of us sports fans expected this, but all the casual fans and celebs and folks expected a war based on the hype and advertising. They were the ones who got the big KO tonight along with boxing.
Floyd averaged 12 punches landed a round, Manny averaged almost 7 let's say 6 1/2. At no point were neither of them hurt or close to being hurt and both walked out smiling with no visible damage whatsoever. That's not a fight or entertaining. Yeah we can all agree it's great defensive boxing but that will not help the sport grow.
And since Floyd and Manny are all but done it desperately needs to grow. Wilder is the big hope but I believe Klitschko is gonna give him the ol jab and clinch treatment on his way to another predictable win. After that who's left? Boxing needed a good fight and got a snoozer.
Most of us sports fans expected this, but all the casual fans and celebs and folks expected a war based on the hype and advertising. They were the ones who got the big KO tonight along with boxing.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:26 am to WalkingTurtles
I don't think anyone expected a war, we just expected an actual fight lol
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:29 am to vengeanceofrain
My point isn't that the fight was necessarily exciting. My point was that people weren't ever going to be satisfied with anything outside of a KO because they don't know better. These aren't two mid-levels swinging for the fences. They're tacticians. For better or worse, this is what you're going to get at that weight class, especially with these cats. Anyone who says this isn't boxing has only watched knockout compilations. There's a reason why this is the first huge fight in a while. I guess people just forgot what boxing was.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:38 am to Dijkstra
Yeah but an average of 18 landed punches a round combined and no damage the entire fight. That basically Looked like some sparring session or an exhibition for charity than a Super fight that was $100 on PPV and astronomical for tickets.
I'm sure all the boxing purists went home happy, but that's not what boxing needed.
I'm sure all the boxing purists went home happy, but that's not what boxing needed.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:43 am to WalkingTurtles
i mean not necessarily a KO. I mean a cut a swollen eye something lol. dammit for 100 dollars i want to know someone actually fought someone
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:43 am to Dijkstra
So you think in boxing, punching shouldn't be numero uno?
Its all about defense? No wonder boxing fricking sucks, be a use you think you just saw a good fight. WorldStar has better fights on a daily basis than that shite we saw tonight.
Its all about defense? No wonder boxing fricking sucks, be a use you think you just saw a good fight. WorldStar has better fights on a daily basis than that shite we saw tonight.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:49 am to LaBornNRaised
dominating a fight to me means being more of a threat, dictating who moves where, backing up a guy
i'm glad Happy's on Poydras had a TV facing outside (knowingly or unknowingly) into a courtyard, which made the sidewalk around there 3-4 people deep, but the end result was that i paid $0. maybe if i'd paid i'd be more pissed, but oh well the voodoo won
i'm glad Happy's on Poydras had a TV facing outside (knowingly or unknowingly) into a courtyard, which made the sidewalk around there 3-4 people deep, but the end result was that i paid $0. maybe if i'd paid i'd be more pissed, but oh well the voodoo won
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