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The delusion of the average fan (re: Luke Heimlich)
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:08 am
I know there's a thread on Luke Heimlich (the molesting OSU) but I wanted to approach it from a different angle. What makes sports fans so delusional about a person's real life actions away from the sports field and so willing to justify horrendous acts just because they play for a team you like?
Go to the Oregon State message board. Not only are they rallying hardcore around Heimlich, they're trashing the victim and her mother, attacking the police, and claiming that because he pled guilty he was never technically convicted.
OSU Message Board
Look at some of these posts. They're sickening.
This goes on and on and I could fill a dozen pages with similar comments. It's disgusting how they view Luke Heimlich like he shoplifted candy bars in junior high. He molested and sexually abused a four year old for two years.
So are Oregon State fans any different than fans across the country? I'm sure they're not. If this were to happen to a player on your favorite team, would you be carrying the water for a child rapist just because he wore your colors?
That's what I'm getting at with this thread. What draws fans in to the point that they can excuse/condone/justify behavior like this? Sports is a strange thing.
Go to the Oregon State message board. Not only are they rallying hardcore around Heimlich, they're trashing the victim and her mother, attacking the police, and claiming that because he pled guilty he was never technically convicted.
OSU Message Board
Look at some of these posts. They're sickening.
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The issue I struggle with is how long do you choose to stigmatize someone with the label of sex offender given that it essentially creates
a lifetime label that will prevent you from having any chance of success in most
endeavors, be it getting a job or even finding a place to live. The crime is awful,
but the punishment may create an even worse long term outcome for all.
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In the United States of America, you are innocent until proven guilty. Luke H. make a deal to plead to a single charge, which means he was never proven guilty, evidence was never evaluated in a court of law, a jury or judge never ruled on its validity and nothing was ever substantiated.
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As the father of a daughter, I am fully aware and respect the desire for a "pound of flesh." But I also believe children make mistakes and need to be able to grow and learn from them.
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In high school, Heimlich maintained a 3.76 GPA, was a member of the debate team and volunteered locally on behalf of the YMCA as well as multiple community service initiatives in association with his church youth group.
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I have been upset with the Oregonian and their insistence on undefined self righteousness and justice. I hope Luke can have a great Career in Baseball. I believe in forgiveness ,restitution, restoration in this case for all concerned
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I've spoken to people involved in the judicial and penal system about this case. They are appalled at the attitudes many people are taking toward Luke. The recidivism rate in these cases is very low. To perpetually punish somebody they did as a juvenile is very discouraging and inappropriate.
This goes on and on and I could fill a dozen pages with similar comments. It's disgusting how they view Luke Heimlich like he shoplifted candy bars in junior high. He molested and sexually abused a four year old for two years.
So are Oregon State fans any different than fans across the country? I'm sure they're not. If this were to happen to a player on your favorite team, would you be carrying the water for a child rapist just because he wore your colors?
That's what I'm getting at with this thread. What draws fans in to the point that they can excuse/condone/justify behavior like this? Sports is a strange thing.
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:10 am to ClientNumber9
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Sports is a strange thing.
It's this. Why don't you ask the people over there if they'd let him babysit their children.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:10 am to ClientNumber9
It seems you're looking for some insight from the PSU fans.Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:11 am to ClientNumber9
People get crazy when it comes to sports. It goes beyond entertainment.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:11 am to lsufball19
women and sports are the two things that will make men lose their damn minds.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:11 am to ClientNumber9
Oregon is full of wing nuts. As delusional as Bama fans are, I find it hard to believe they would rally around a child molestor. A cousin fricker, sure. But not a child molester. I could be wrong but that's my take.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:13 am to ClientNumber9
Saints fans didn't do a whole lot of water carrying for Sharper. Your point stand, but I think what makes this kinda unique is that he was a minor when it happened and he has done everything the courts have asked of him(as light as it may be considering the crime).
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:15 am to ClientNumber9
Those are some disturbing quotes.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:17 am to Hot Carl
Except check in as required
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:19 am to ClientNumber9
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In the United States of America, you are innocent until proven guilty. Luke H. make a deal to plead to a single charge, which means he was never proven guilty, evidence was never evaluated in a court of law, a jury or judge never ruled on its validity and nothing was ever substantiated.
Huh?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:19 am to little billy
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Except check in as required
Wrong
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:23 am to Hot Carl
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Your point stand, but I think what makes this kinda unique is that he was a minor when it happened and he has done everything the courts have asked of him(as light as it may be considering the crime).
He was asked to do two things. Go through therapy and update the sex offender registry. He completed 1 of the 2 things he was asked to do. And I really hate that people keep saying "well he was a minor." This wasn't a minor making a bad choice one day. This was a teenager that committed the same act to a 4 year old for two years before he was caught. Can you imagine if the little girl was too scared to ever tell her father what happened?
And I'm sure convicted felons of other crimes don't like admitting to such on job applications either.
And honestly my biggest issue with all of this is how lightly the state of Washington treated this. He did not serve one single day in juvenile detention. I can't believe the courts felt that appropriate given the gravity of what he did. yes the courts will take it easier on minors, but in my area of the country, juveniles to not receive a get out of jail free card on a Class A felony.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 10:25 am
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:23 am to Hot Carl
I thought that was the reason this became public.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:25 am to little billy
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Except check in as required
It was actually an error by the courts, not one on his part that brought this to light.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:25 am to Hot Carl
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Wrong
It's not wrong. He never registered in Benton County, Oregon, which is a requirement of being on the sex offender registry.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:27 am to AwesomeSauce
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It was actually an error by the courts, not one on his part that brought this to light.
It wasn't an error by the courts. The Courts cited him for his failure to register. And you're right, he didn't bring this to light, which is what is at issue. He did not fulfill his requirements by registering or "bringing this to light."
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:29 am to lsufball19
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. He did not fulfill his requirements by registering or "bringing this to light."
Wrong.
Article explaining it
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• What were Heimlich's legal obligations in registering as a sex offender in the state of Oregon? Why was he cited in April for failure to update his status in Benton County within 10 days of his 21st birthday? What happened to the charge?
Oregon law requires an out-of-state resident with a juvenile sex offense to register with the state of Oregon when he moves into the state. When Heimlich enrolled at Oregon State in January 2015 — he graduated early from high school in order to start college and be eligible to play as a freshman during the 2015 season — he complied with that at the Corvallis Police Department. After that, he was required to notify police department officials if there were a change in status — that is, if he were to dis-enroll from school. There has been no change in status, so Heimlich was not required to notify them again. In Oregon, a juvenile sex offender from out of state is not required to register again on his 21st birthday. Were Heimlich a resident of Oregon or convicted in Oregon, he would have had to. As a Washington resident attending college in Oregon, that part of the law did not apply to him. When Corvallis police included Heimlich in a sweep of sex offenders who had not registered, they didn't realize he wasn't required to under Oregon law. Heimlich's attorney, Stephen Ensor, took that to the district attorney, who agreed to dismiss the case.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:31 am to AwesomeSauce
quote:Oops.
What were Heimlich's legal obligations in registering as a sex offender in the state of Oregon? Why was he cited in April for failure to update his status in Benton County within 10 days of his 21st birthday? What happened to the charge?
Oregon law requires an out-of-state resident with a juvenile sex offense to register with the state of Oregon when he moves into the state. When Heimlich enrolled at Oregon State in January 2015 — he graduated early from high school in order to start college and be eligible to play as a freshman during the 2015 season — he complied with that at the Corvallis Police Department. After that, he was required to notify police department officials if there were a change in status — that is, if he were to dis-enroll from school. There has been no change in status, so Heimlich was not required to notify them again. In Oregon, a juvenile sex offender from out of state is not required to register again on his 21st birthday. Were Heimlich a resident of Oregon or convicted in Oregon, he would have had to. As a Washington resident attending college in Oregon, that part of the law did not apply to him. When Corvallis police included Heimlich in a sweep of sex offenders who had not registered, they didn't realize he wasn't required to under Oregon law. Heimlich's attorney, Stephen Ensor, took that to the district attorney, who agreed to dismiss the case.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:33 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Oops.
Not defending in anyway this POS' actions, but he was doing what he was required to by law (whether we agree this was enough or a fair punishment is a different topic).
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:34 am to lsufball19
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And I really hate that people keep saying "well he was a minor
Just to be clear, I am not saying this. I am just offering a possibility why some OSU fans may be trying to justify his still being on the team. His situation is slightly different than most of these cases we hear about.
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