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Stewart Mandel lists his college football program pecking order
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:49 pm
Some minor quibbles but pretty damn accurate, if you ask me.
College football program pecking order
College football program pecking order
quote:
Kings
Alabama
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
LSU
Miami
Michigan
Nebraska?
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Penn State
Texas
USC
I’m 41 years old. In my teens, 20s and early-to-mid 30s, you could never have convinced me Nebraska would one day be viewed as anything less than college football royalty. But today’s recruits were not even born the last time the Huskers won even a conference championship, in 1999, much less Tom Osborne’s three national titles in four years from 1994-97.
And while the school’s move to the Big Ten unquestionably benefits the program financially, few would contend Nebraska is viewed in the same grouping as league powers Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. Its perception at this point more closely resembles those of Wisconsin and Michigan State.
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 4:50 pm
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:51 pm to AZBadgerFan
Alphabetical order?
Edit: I read the title as a ranking of the schools in order.
Edit: I read the title as a ranking of the schools in order.
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:51 pm to AZBadgerFan
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Penn State
Surprised they're listed after their fiasco.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:53 pm to AZBadgerFan
Clemson sticks out.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:56 pm to AZBadgerFan
quote:
Miami
quote:
Nebraska
quote:
Penn State
Kings? Hardly.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:56 pm to Ssubba
quote:
Clemson sticks out.
The main one that sticks out for me (PSU was the other) but if you read down he's basing it on their success the past couple of years
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:58 pm to AZBadgerFan
quote:
The main one that sticks out for me (PSU was the other) but if you read down he's basing it on their success the past couple of years
Whatever logic you use to include Clemson would exclude Miami and Nebraska, and vice versa.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:59 pm to slackster
quote:
quote:
Miami
quote:
Nebraska
quote:
Penn State
Kings? Hardly.
If you read the article he has removed Nebraska from the list he did a few years ago and bases Miami on the fact that it's still a very desirable destination for recruits. Personally, I wouldn't list Penn State or Miami as "Kings".
quote:
I suppose one could make much the same argument against five-time national champ Miami remaining among the kings. The ‘Canes have not won more than nine games in a season since 2003. But I’d argue the “U” still carries a ton of cachet given its alums’ heavy presence in the NFL — and recruits agree.
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:01 pm to AZBadgerFan
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If you read the article
Oops.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:02 pm to Ssubba
Yeah a team who has been to the national title two years in a row and just won one. One 10+ games 6 years in a row. Beat the likes of Ohio st twice, Oklahoma twice, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Notre dame ooc and in bowl games. That team isn't a king right now. And save the but muhhhh Watson is gonneee dumb gump
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:53 pm to AZBadgerFan
Has anyone, including Nebraska, seen much success on the field after moving to a new conference? Speaking of the last decade or so...
I'm struggling to find an example.
I'm struggling to find an example.
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:09 pm to AZBadgerFan
In 2007 he had:
Kings
(alphabetical)
Alabama
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Penn State
Tennessee
Texas
USC
Barons
Auburn
Clemson
Colorado
Georgia
LSU
Texas A&M
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Washington
Wisconsin
Kings
(alphabetical)
Alabama
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Penn State
Tennessee
Texas
USC
Barons
Auburn
Clemson
Colorado
Georgia
LSU
Texas A&M
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Washington
Wisconsin
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:19 pm to AZBadgerFan
based on all time perhaps but Clempson is new to the dance and PSU and NU along with ND have not done much to brag out in the past 25 years. and yes I know PSU won their conference last year and ND played for a natty a few years back. But 1 year does not make them relevant in the past 20 years. AU has been more relevant in the past 20 years than those 3 I mentioned
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:22 pm to AZBadgerFan
What's missing off the list is Auburn
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:26 pm to SuperSaint
quote:
What's missing off the list is Auburn
This is correct.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:30 pm to SuperSaint
quote:What?
What's missing off the list is Auburn
Auburn is perfect right where they are on this list
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:30 pm to mrbroker
quote:
based on all time perhaps but Clempson is new to the dance and PSU and NU along with ND have not done much to brag out in the past 25 years.
Here is Stewart Mandel's reasoning in 2007:
What exactly constitutes a "national power?" I rank the "prestige level" of all 66 BCS schools (including Notre Dame) by dividing them into four tiers.
So I suppose this raises a question: What exactly constitutes a "national power?" To be honest, I don't have a specific answer. Obviously, a history of on-field success (national championships, major bowls) is the key component, but the program must also continue to maintain relevance -- after all, Minnesota has a bunch of national titles on its mantle, but no one views the Gophers as a national power.
Here's what makes this question so intriguing. By any quantitative standard, Georgia has been a far better program than Penn State for some time now. Heck, the Nittany Lions have had four losing seasons this decade, while the Dawgs haven't won less than eight games in a season. And yet, I would tell you without a moment's hesitation that Penn State is a national power while Georgia is not.
In the course of defending Richt -- who's "only" won two SEC titles and a division crown in six years -- I noted that the Dawgs are not the sort of "national power" whose fans are entitled to expect national titles. (Their last one came 27 years ago.) My classification of the program as a "regional power" generated a whole bunch of angry e-mails from the Peach State (though there were also quite a few Georgia fans who readily agreed)
No, it's something more than wins and losses. It's a certain cachet or aura. It's the way a program is perceived by the public. Let me put it to you this way:
Suppose we went to, say, Montana. And suppose we found 100 "average" college football fans (not necessarily message-board crazies, but not twice-a-year viewers, either) and put them in a room. If I held up a Michigan helmet, my guess is all 100 would know exactly what it was. If I held up a picture of the USC song girls, all 100 would know who they were. If I happened to bring Joe Paterno along with me, all 100 would say, "Hey, look, it's Joe Paterno!"
But if I held up a Georgia "G" helmet, how many of them do you think would be able to identify it off the top of their head? And with all due respect to Mark Richt, if we secretly inserted him into a police lineup, how many of them would actually say, "Hey, look, it's Mark Richt!" (I swear, Dawgs fans, I'm not trying to pile on Georgia. It's just the example I was given. Don't hate me. Here -- Larry Munson is a god.)
Which is why LSU moved up from Baron to Kings since 2007...despite LSU fans bitching at Les Miles - it was the last 6 years battling Alabama that put LSU on the national map. It was never as good with LSU as it was under Les Miles.
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:34 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Like Nebraska, West Virginia has suffered in part by a necessary change of conference, going from a regular Big East/BCS contender to mostly middle-of-the-pack (last year excluded) finisher and geographic misfit in the Big 12. Its prestige level has slipped accordingly.
Wtf
So we dropped when we finally acclimate to the Big 12
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:57 pm to AZBadgerFan
Auburn and, especially, Tennessee have a much better stake to claim on that list than Penn State and probably Clemson as well.
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 5/25/17 at 7:01 pm to AZBadgerFan
Clemson lulz. Don't they have sub .600 record all time?
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