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Spinoff----NCAAFB Playoff fails to achieve goals would this be better?

Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:14 pm
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:14 pm
The playoff system is flawed. It does not definitively find the be best team in the nation as proposed and continues the controversy.

If you want to find the one true best team in the nation


1. Get rid of conference refs and make a national officiating group with FBS and FCS divisions with a random rotation of assignments for each division, and strict oversight from an outside group complete with financial penalties for poor officiating.

2. Mandate that eligibility for playoffs requires that a team play an exact number of games unless altered for unforeseen cancelation (weather). The number of games should be on the low end not the high end as you are adding more games at the end of the season. I would suggest 10 or 11 but that could be decided later. Allow conferences to decide how to achieve that exact number which must include conference championship games. Small conferences would play all teams in conference like the big 12 and add a CCG. Large conferences like SEC would divide, play teams in their division and the CCG but need to add OOC opponents to meet the #.

3. Mandate a minimum # of schools per conference, thus excluding independents, and include all FBS conferences in the play off process. The bowl eligible conference champion from each conference automatically goes to playoff with one wildcard play off position available. The wildcard team could be an independent or a team from any other conference. This would be 11 teams. In the event that no team in a given conference is bowl eligible, that conference forfeits its automatic playoff position and a second wildcard position is available. Wildcard teams are to be decided by committee.


Those teams are then ranked by season record, SOS, and margin of victory giving a 1 rank advancement to any team having beaten a current playoff team during the regular season.

Then play a 4 week play off with single elimination.

Week one teams 1-5 get a rest and teams 6 through 11 play each other with highest rank vs lowest rank.

Week 2 the week 1 winners play top 3 teams and #4 plays #5

Week 3 the week 2 winners play each other

Week 4 final playoff game of week 3 winners





Week 1

game 1 11 vs 6
game 2 10 vs 7
game 3 9 vs 8

Week 2
game 4 Wgm1 vs 1
game 5 Wgm2 vs 2
game 6 Wgm3 vs 3
game 7 4 vs 5

Week 3
game 8 Wgm5 vs Wgm7
game 9 Wgm4 vs Wgm6

Week 4
National championship game Wgm8 vs Wgm9


All games should be played at neutral sites, Week 1 and 2 games played at pre season assigned neutral sites but team selection is based on geographically proximity to the highest ranked opponent.

Ex. Week 1 Games to be played at A, B, & C stadiums based on proximity and availability.

Game 1 #6 vs #11
plays at whichever stadium (A,B, or C)is closest to # 6 B
Game 2 #7 vs #10
plays at whichever stadium (A or C)is closest to #7 A
Game 3 #8vs #9
plays at whichever stadium is left C


Week 3 and 4 games the location is decided pre season as is the specific playoff game. The opponents are decided by matriculation.

Week 3 Stadium A game 8, Stadium B game 9

Week 4 Stadium C Game 10








Although it is possible teams ranked in the bottom half would make it past week 2, it is improbable.

Thus the majority of the time this would change the playoff process from 2 games to 3 games for the national champion team.

This makes for an increased # of high profile televised games, and basically silences the complaint that any given team was left out of the discussion.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:16 pm to
TCU will be left out again
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:17 pm to
That dumb little Christian school in the ghetto is really trying to be a big boy huh?

Well at least when the Methodist and Baptist cheats they win, unlike the Non denominational school in the ghetto.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 12:18 pm
Posted by accnodefense
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:17 pm to
No

8 teams is what is ideal. No need to make it any more complex than that.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83927 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:18 pm to
I like 4 teams. Love seeing the heartbreak.

The only thing I would change is all Power conferences must have nonconference games against other Power conferences. No more of this scheduling Maine shite.

And, yes, make the AAC a power conference if that makes you feel better.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:19 pm to
Last year TCU was left out although that was the correct decision based on the system. Even though TCU would have kicked some arse in the playoffs last year.

This year TCU Defense is not as good and likely will drop 1 or 2 games due to that. I don't see us beating Baylor currently.

So this year they will not be left out. They will not deserve the opportunity.


But good job staying on topic.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:20 pm to
I agree with the 4 teams argument. I think there needs to be qualifiers...

Must win a title, division or conference, if in conference
Must have 11 wins
Must play at least 1 OOC P5 or Independent on road and home.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 12:23 pm
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

That dumb little Christian school in the ghetto is really trying to be a big boy huh? Well at least when the Methodist and Baptist cheats they win, unlike the Non denominational school in the ghetto.





So much fail in your post.

But unlike SMU and Baylor, we don't need to cheat.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:25 pm to
So much truth in that post


Ft Worth is a ghetto
Last time they got busted for Cheating they were losers and Wacker was sent packing
So much hurt that you can not even take a joke.


I guess Davey O'Brien and Bob Lilly make Ft Worth not a ghetto?
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 12:27 pm
Posted by Pels Bells
Member since Aug 2015
179 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:30 pm to
I like the 4 team playoff because it makes it pretty much the same as the BCS where you are trying to find the 2 best teams in the country... except they add 2 extra teams just for a little cushion if those teams might have a case for being ranked #1 or #2.

It's like the BCS with a slight margin of error in finding the 2 best teams.



That's why I like it. If a team is ranked #8, they have no business being crowned the national champion if they happened to win the tournament at the end of the season because they shouldn't get a shot in the first place.


This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 12:31 pm
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83927 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

Must play at least 1 OOC P5 or Independent on road and home.


I really just think we need to make teams schedule other power conference teams in their nonconference schedule just so we can have more data in order to compare conference strength.

There are simply too many college football teams out there right now we need to start getting a better sample size.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59054 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

NCAAFB Playoff fails to achieve goals
The playoff system is flawed. It does not definitively find the be best team in the nation as proposed and continues the controversy.


first of all TL;DR,

2nd of all, people need to accept that who is the "best" team is not some provable scientific fact most of the time there are a 2-4 teams that separate themselves from the pack over the course of the season, so grouping them and crowning a champion is as fair as it can be. Rarely we see a team that just dominates and looks like clearly the "best" team. 2001 Miami may be the most recent CFB example.

Sorry that TCU got left out, they should have beat Baylor and it would not have been an issue and then we could tell Ohio State to quit crying about Bama and Oregon being in with 1 loss and not lose to VT.

This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 12:53 pm
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139837 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:46 pm to
I wished CFB would set up some type of "Challenge" series yearly and match them up 1-14 and use media projections to do so. Every other year the odds would be home the evens be on road etc...

Lets say the B1G/SEC did one this year using preseason rankings...

tOSU/Bama
Auburn/Mich St
Wisconsin/UGA
Ole Miss/NU
Penn St/Arkansas
LSU/Michigan
Minnesota/MU
UT/Iowa
Maryland/A&M
Miss St/Northwestern
IU/Carolina
Florida/Illinois
Rutgers/Kentucky
Purdue/Vandy


The winner of this challenge gets a bigger share of revenue from the challenge or CFP pie....I do not know.

But make it worth something besides just a game.



This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 12:47 pm
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30162 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

The only thing I would change is all Power conferences must have nonconference games against other Power conferences. No more of this scheduling Maine shite.


As a fan I would love this, however this causes two issues:

1) It financially hurts the smaller schools that receive a big paycheck for playing these power conference teams

2) When you're playing legit competition week in and week out, you run the risk of higher player injury, which actually hurts the product towards the end of the season.
Maybe institute multiple bye weeks to remedy this.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 1:22 pm
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83927 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

1) It financially hurts the smaller schools that receive a big paycheck for playing these power conference teams



I get that it sucks for them but there is just too much at stake. We have to start getting it more right.

Posted by gar90
Member since Sep 2009
6037 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 2:26 pm to
I don't hate your idea. I personally would make it 12 teams and play it like the NFL does schedule wise. All conference winners automatically get in and the others should be chosen by the old BCS formula.

I would also say all rounds up until the semi finals should be at the home site of the better team. One of the reasons a longer playoff would suck for fans is it gets really expensive to travel to multiple bowl games, therefore reward the better team with extra home games.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

Ft Worth is a ghetto Last time they got busted for Cheating they were losers and Wacker was sent packing


Ft Worth has higher median income, lower crime rates, lower minority population, higher English speaking population, more females, higher property ownership, larger married population, more numerous church opportunities, lower number of unemployed residents, newer homes on average, and an lower average age of population than either Dallas or Waco.

But certainly, Ft Worth is a ghetto.




quote:

Last time they got busted for Cheating they were losers and Wacker was sent packing


SMU had a university established slush fund for athletes maintained for 15 plus years and got busted and stiff penalties enforced by the NCAA. TCU had boosters that broke rules for less than 5 years and self reported their violations and suspended the players in violation prior to NCAA getting involved.


And by the way TCU has won since then many times without cheating and has kept its nose clean otherwise as a university.

How is that SMU basketball team btw?

Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139837 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:01 pm to
Let's see they are on a post season ban and have a coach that is suspended for some games.

But they at least made a tournament and did not have to play in the USD gym like that ghetto school.

I love how you think only one team in DFW didn't have a slush fund...hell the only team that didn't was Rice.

SMU wasn't a slush fund it was payments from a Realtor that a stupid Yankee would not keep his mouth shut about. The Slush fund/ATM was at Coog High.


I mean I get it that your ghetto school couldn't bribe the governor or have AT&T make up fake jobs.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 3:05 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:02 pm to
The four teams in the playoff all had either better records or tougher schedules than TCU. Get over it. TCU was not one of the top four last year.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
70989 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:03 pm to
The playoff worked in its first year. Let's wait until it doesn't to start complaining.
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