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Shouldn't this have been a unearned run?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:22 pm
At the Tourists game yesterday hosting the Grasshoppers. Grasshoppers batting top of the third, man on third base with one out. Base runner takes too big a lead, catcher going to throw him out easily. Ball hits the runner and bounces into left field. Runner trots home.
Catcher charged with error on the throw.
Next two batters grounded out.
Box score this morning shows this to be an earned run (all runs charged to the pitcher were earned.)
Seems to me that should have been a unearned run. What say the MSB?
Catcher charged with error on the throw.
Next two batters grounded out.
Box score this morning shows this to be an earned run (all runs charged to the pitcher were earned.)
Seems to me that should have been a unearned run. What say the MSB?
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:22 pm to blueridgeTiger
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Seems to me that should have been a unearned run. What say the MSB?
He would have scored on the first ground out anyway.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:23 pm to blueridgeTiger
I think the answer lies with how that runner got on base.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:25 pm to blueridgeTiger
Are those fake teams?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:27 pm to The Boat
No
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:37 pm to medtiger
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I think the answer lies with how that runner got on base.
I don't think so, but I'll give you the complete picture.
The runner got on with a single. Stole second base and was advanced to third on a sac bunt.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:38 pm to blueridgeTiger
So, he would have scored on the groundout which resulted in the third out. I mean, that is the ruling.
ETA: I typoed. Should have said second and not third.
ETA: I typoed. Should have said second and not third.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:41 pm to rpg37
The OP said there was one out which I assume was the Sac bunt
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:45 pm to chalmetteowl
Yes. He was on third with one out. The groundout, resulting in the second out, would have scored the runner, making him an earned run. The third out is irrelevant.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:53 pm to rpg37
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The groundout, resulting in the second out, would have scored the runner, making him an earned run.
Yes, but ... the Tourists were playing the infield in. The groundout the first baseman would have held the runner at third. If the batter had gotten a base hit I could see changing it to an earned run, but a groundout to the first baseman would not have scored the run if he were still at first.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:55 pm to blueridgeTiger
Scorekeeper has jurisdiction to make that call. There is no way of knowing the unplayed.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 8:57 pm to blueridgeTiger
Minor league team names are a disgrace
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:13 pm to blueridgeTiger
Pretty sure it depends on how the runner got on base. Base hit to get on determines.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:31 pm to blueridgeTiger
As a score keeper you can't assume the double play, you also can't assume a fielder's choice.
The baserunner was on 3rd with less than 2 outs, the 2nd out was a force at firstbase.
The run scored and counts as an earned run.
The baserunner was on 3rd with less than 2 outs, the 2nd out was a force at firstbase.
The run scored and counts as an earned run.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:24 am to rpg37
Baseball says that one can presume that the runner would have scored on a grounder. Makes sense
And yet it maintains its decades-long archaic scoring credo "you can't presume a double play."
And yet it maintains its decades-long archaic scoring credo "you can't presume a double play."
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:28 am to Overbrook
I'll never be able to fully understand how a run is unearned if it is scored on an error committed by the pitcher.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:35 am to Wayne Campbell
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I'll never be able to fully understand how a run is unearned if it is scored on an error committed by the pitcher.
Because it was scored on an error. It doesn't matter who committed the error.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:20 am to Wayne Campbell
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I'll never be able to fully understand how a run is unearned if it is scored on an error committed by the pitcher.
This f'ing shite!
(Hypothetical) Scenario: Batter gets on by HBP. Advances to 2nd, 3rd and home on 3 wild pitches. No earned run.
I get it that the offensive team did not "earn" the run, but earned runs are only discussed in relation to pitcher's performance so it makes little sense.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:30 am to blueridgeTiger
Scoring in an error doesn't automatically mean unearned.. assuming it wouldn't have been the third out.. the ability of the runner to score on subsequent at bats is up to the official scorer
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:35 am to Boudreaux35
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(Hypothetical) Scenario: Batter gets on by HBP. Advances to 2nd, 3rd and home on 3 wild pitches. No earned run.
No, that would absolutely be an earned run.
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