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Should the year end baseball award be a MVP or MOP award?
Posted on 6/26/16 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 7:50 pm
Last year and 1987 in the NL are great cases to rename or specify what the award should be.
Harper by far was the most outstanding. You can say he wasn't the most valuable though, as the Nationals faded. In 87 the Cubs finished last, but Dawson won it with a great year.
You have had years where the winner is the MOP and MVP though.
Harper by far was the most outstanding. You can say he wasn't the most valuable though, as the Nationals faded. In 87 the Cubs finished last, but Dawson won it with a great year.
You have had years where the winner is the MOP and MVP though.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 7:51 pm to sms151t
All professional sports should have an MOP and not an MVP.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 7:57 pm to sms151t
Harper and Dawson were the most valuable players those years. Without them, their teams would have been even worse. The best player is always the most valuable.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 7:57 pm to sms151t
In England the call it PoTY, should be same here.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:00 pm to witty alias
How valuable are you on a last place team?
How can you be MVP if your team blows a huge division lead in games that you played in?
The most Valuable is not always the most outstanding and the most outstanding is not always the most valuable.
How can you be MVP if your team blows a huge division lead in games that you played in?
The most Valuable is not always the most outstanding and the most outstanding is not always the most valuable.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:03 pm to sms151t
Harper provided more wins to his time than anyone else. So he was the most valuable and outstanding in my book. Not his fault the rest of the team sucked and wasted it.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:11 pm to The Seaward
I do not understand the difference between most outstanding and most valuable. They are the same player to me.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:16 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I guess the theory is if your team stinks, but you put up great numbers, are you really all that valuable? In baseball, I think you can be, but basketball is a different story where one guy should have a bit more impact on a team's record.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:23 pm to sms151t
For the most part, the MVP has been the MOP or pretty close to it. Jimmy Rollins in 2007 is the last time a player that finished out of the top 5 in WAR won MVP.
AL MVP
2015- Josh Donaldson (2nd in WAR)
2014- Mike Trout (1st in WAR)
2013- Miguel Cabrera (4th in WAR)
2012- Miguel Cabrera (5th in WAR)
2011- Justin Verlander (2nd in WAR)
2010- Josh Hamilton (1st in WAR)
2009- Joe Mauer (3rd in WAR)
2008- Dustin Pedroia (2nd in WAR)
2007- Alex Rodriguez (1st in WAR)
Miguel Cabrera's MVPs in 2012 and 2013 is the only times an AL MVP was awarded to a player who finished outside of the top 3 in WAR during the last nine seasons. Joe Mauer finished third in WAR in 2009. Every other MVP finished 1st or 2nd in WAR.
NL MVP
2015- Bryce Harper (1st in WAR)
2014- Clayton Kershaw (1st in WAR)
2013- Andrew McCutchen (3rd in WAR)
2012- Buster Posey (1st in WAR)
2011- Ryan Braun (4th in WAR)
2010- Joey Votto (4th in WAR)
2009- Albert Pujols (1st in WAR)
2008- Albert Pujols (1st in WAR)
In the last eight years, 5/8 NL MVPs led the league in WAR. The other three NL MVPs all finished in the top 4 in WAR.
I really don't see any egregiously bad selections. Miguel Cabrera's 2012 MVP is probably the worst pick and that was the year he won the triple crown. All of the other MVP choices were pretty reasonable. The writers have done a good job for the most part. It's not like the '90s when Juan Gonzalez was winning multiple MVPs just for his ability to drive in a ton of runs.
AL MVP
2015- Josh Donaldson (2nd in WAR)
2014- Mike Trout (1st in WAR)
2013- Miguel Cabrera (4th in WAR)
2012- Miguel Cabrera (5th in WAR)
2011- Justin Verlander (2nd in WAR)
2010- Josh Hamilton (1st in WAR)
2009- Joe Mauer (3rd in WAR)
2008- Dustin Pedroia (2nd in WAR)
2007- Alex Rodriguez (1st in WAR)
Miguel Cabrera's MVPs in 2012 and 2013 is the only times an AL MVP was awarded to a player who finished outside of the top 3 in WAR during the last nine seasons. Joe Mauer finished third in WAR in 2009. Every other MVP finished 1st or 2nd in WAR.
NL MVP
2015- Bryce Harper (1st in WAR)
2014- Clayton Kershaw (1st in WAR)
2013- Andrew McCutchen (3rd in WAR)
2012- Buster Posey (1st in WAR)
2011- Ryan Braun (4th in WAR)
2010- Joey Votto (4th in WAR)
2009- Albert Pujols (1st in WAR)
2008- Albert Pujols (1st in WAR)
In the last eight years, 5/8 NL MVPs led the league in WAR. The other three NL MVPs all finished in the top 4 in WAR.
I really don't see any egregiously bad selections. Miguel Cabrera's 2012 MVP is probably the worst pick and that was the year he won the triple crown. All of the other MVP choices were pretty reasonable. The writers have done a good job for the most part. It's not like the '90s when Juan Gonzalez was winning multiple MVPs just for his ability to drive in a ton of runs.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:39 pm to Bench McElroy
Then award it to whomever is the leader of WAR yearly, if it's MVP award.
I knew the WAR argument would be put in the thread. I think it needs to be a MOP award or PoTY.
I knew the WAR argument would be put in the thread. I think it needs to be a MOP award or PoTY.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:16 pm to sms151t
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Then award it to whomever is the leader of WAR yearly, if it's MVP award.
I knew the WAR argument would be put in the thread. I think it needs to be a MOP award or PoTY
Well, a difference of 1.0-1.5 WAR isn't a big deal. That's basically splitting hairs. It's when there's a 2+ WAR gap when it becomes a bigger issue. A 2+ WAR player is basically the equivalent of a solid everyday player. That's a huge gap. It's only happened three times over the last eight years. In 2013, Mike Trout led the AL with 9.3 WAR, 2.0 ahead of Miguel Cabrera. In 2012, Trout led the AL with 10.8 WAR, 3.6 ahead of Cabrera. And in 2009, Zach Greinke led the AL with 10.4 WAR, 2.6 ahead of Joe Mauer. The 2009 MVP choice was understandable. Greinke was a pitcher on a last place Kansas City team. However, Miguel Cabrera should not have won the 2012 and 2013 MVPs over Mike Trout. Cabrera winning consecutive MVPs over Trout is the only times baseball fans complained about the MVP voting. There really wasn't much hubbub about the other MVP selections.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:32 pm to sms151t
Sports awards ARE to the most outstanding player.
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