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Secretariat would have won by approximately 16 lengths today
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:05 pm
Obviously there are some variables that can effect things, and it isn't an exact science converting times to lengths, but using the 6 lengths per second rule of thumb, Secretariat would have beaten American Pharoah by 16 lengths (2.65 seconds).
Glad I got to finally see a Triple Crown winner in my lifetime, but days like today help put the greatness of Secretariat into perspective.
ETA: The responses to this thread are hilarious. Secretariat was a wire-to-wire winner. He won by 31 lengths, yet people are saying that AP could have run better if he was being pushed. :banged:
Glad I got to finally see a Triple Crown winner in my lifetime, but days like today help put the greatness of Secretariat into perspective.
ETA: The responses to this thread are hilarious. Secretariat was a wire-to-wire winner. He won by 31 lengths, yet people are saying that AP could have run better if he was being pushed. :banged:
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 9:17 pm
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:07 pm to slackster
Except he wouldn't have. AP ran the race to win. He had plenty left in the tank at the end, his jockey barely used the whip and he still pulled away. Secretariat may have still won but AP def would have run faster than he did today if he had to
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:08 pm to lsupride87
Yeah. Secretariat was keeping up with a horse that flew way ahead of the pack. Nobody was pushing American Pharoah today. But Secretariat is definitely the better horse.
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:09 pm to slackster
American Pharoah didn't even appear to be pushed today. He just coasted wire to wire.
I don't really think it is comparable unless we actually assume the horse is running against history instead of the other horses in the field. I think he was paced on the field and left a ton in the tank.
I don't really think it is comparable unless we actually assume the horse is running against history instead of the other horses in the field. I think he was paced on the field and left a ton in the tank.
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:12 pm to lsupride87
quote:I think it's safe to say he would have considering he holds the all-time record by 2 full seconds.
Secretariat may have still won
Look at the top 10:
Horse | Time | Year
1. Secretariat | 2:24.00 | 1973
2. Easy Goer | 2:26.00 | 1989
3. A.P. Indy | 2:26.13 | 1992
4. Risen Star | 2:26.40 | 1988
5. Gallant Man | 2:26.60 | 1957
6. American Pharoah | 2:26.65 | 2015
T7. Point Given | 2:26.80 | 2001
T7. Tabasco Cat | 2:26.80 | 1994
T7. Affirmed | 2:26.80 | 1978
10. Creme Fraiche | 2:27.00 |1985
All the other horses are virtually tied.
Secretariat has the fastest time by a huge margin.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:12 pm to SwaggerCopter
This thread proves a very good point. American Pharoah could well be a classic horse in modern times. Seeing how he pulled away with little to no whip... Crazy to think he could have been faster.
And for him to be faster would be nearly iconic, as if him winning the Crown today wasn't. Any faster and he would have been among the all-time great performances at Belmont.
And for him to be faster would be nearly iconic, as if him winning the Crown today wasn't. Any faster and he would have been among the all-time great performances at Belmont.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:13 pm to slackster
They didn't ask this horse today to run until the 8th pole.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:13 pm to lsupride87
quote:
He had plenty left in the tank at the end, his jockey barely used the whip and he still pulled away. Secretariat may have still won but AP def would have run faster than he did today if he had to
Secretariat's average speed at the 1973 Belmont Stakes was almost 38 MPH.
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:14 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Secretariat was keeping up with a horse that flew way ahead of the pack. Nobody was pushing American Pharoah today. But Secretariat is definitely the better horse.
Tha frick?
Secretariat was wire to wire. Who knows how fast he would have ran if anyone was close.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:15 pm to slackster
But Secretariat had a horse pushing him hard way ahead of the pack. It was a two horse race. If one of the horses had started pushing to make a pass, it would have pushed AP much harder to a better time.
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:16 pm to RollTide1987
Secretariat's jockey on the '73 Belmont race.
quote:
“My intention was to hold back. I galloped him and worked him. All this preparation was done by me and I knew that he could go from start to finish at a certain rate of speed. I started to take him back, and then there was a hole on the fence so the other jockeys started to take their horses back. Sham started to take the lead and come into the inside. I decided to move alongside him, so I wouldn’t get trapped behind him. He was breathing wonderful under me, his heart beating good. Everything was fine with him, he was not straining himself, he was not fighting me and at that rate he was covering a lot of ground because I didn’t have a short hold on the reign. I figured he could go like that all the way.”
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:16 pm to slackster
Horse racing.doesnt work like that. Pharoah and big red would have dueled and pharoah would.have been ran in the ground. Sham is a better horse than phroah and big red made his arse quit after 3 furlongs
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:18 pm to SwaggerCopter
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But Secretariat had a horse pushing him hard way ahead of the pack.
That's because the strategy was for Sham to push him to wear him out because there was a question as to whether or not he could go fast for long distances. Secretariat did not wear out. He simply got faster and wore Sham out. Sham finished dead last that day.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:19 pm to RollTide1987
Correct. But can we automatically rule out that AP, like Secretariat, could have overcome that strategy? Nope.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:21 pm to vengeanceofrain
I know it doesn't, but Secretariat has the world record by 2 seconds, and he won by 31 lengths. No one was pushing him. I'm not trying to take anything away from AP, I just wanted to use today as a reference point for how fricking good Secretariat was.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:25 pm to SwaggerCopter
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But can we automatically rule out that AP, like Secretariat, could have overcome that strategy? Nope.
Of course we can't. Because Secretariat is dead and buried. However, Secretariat started out fast and stayed ahead for the entire race. Sham and Secretariat were neck and neck on most of the back straight away, but Secretariat hit another gear that Sham could not. Sham would have been a Triple Crown winner had Secretariat never existed. He wasn't racing some scrub. He was racing one of the best racing horses of the 1970s.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:27 pm to slackster
Yep, Secretariat would have pulled away today too. Give AF his due, but he's not a super horse.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:27 pm to lsupride87
If Secretariat was challenged, he would have ran faster. It works both ways.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:32 pm to PrimeTime Money
Secretariat might very well be the greatest American race horse of all time. That doesn't detract anything from AP. The horse ran a magnificent race and deserves the Triple Crown honors.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:35 pm to kywildcatfanone
Lets be real its not fair to compare red to american pharoah. To say hes not a super horse because he.cant match up with a literal genetic.freak of natute is absurd. Seattle slew and affirmed we're not chopped liver both.considered in the general top 10 of.any serious best race horse of all time and.i think.for the first time ap is in that discussion. ap is the first horse ive seenin 10 years that.i could legit even be s top. 10 caliber horse
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