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Seahawks Fans: Russell Wilson Isn't Elite (HuffPo article)

Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:57 am
Posted by iPadThai
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:57 am
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It's not hard to like Russell Wilson. He's young, he's exciting, he obviously wears his emotions on his sleeve. Oh, and he's also a Super Bowl champion with another potential ring on the way.

Liking him, however, is different than agreeing with the current narrative of Wilson the superstar, Wilson the elite, Wilson the unstoppable. Even though ESPN canceled the show, the maxim still stands: numbers never lie, and in Wilson's case, the truth hurts. He's not a superstar and he's not elite; he's simply, well, good.

Let me start with some names: Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan and Carson Palmer. All of these fellow QBs outpassed Russell Wilson this year, but not in the conventional way. No, just going by passing yards and touchdowns is misleading. Instead, we'll go the advanced analytics route, in order to tell you the real story.

You see, throwing for 300 yards against a terrible defense like the Redskins means a lot less than doing it against the Texans. So the first thing we'll do is adjust the performances, taking the strength of the opposition in mind.

The second thing we'll do is re-adjust what we consider important. After all, simply racking up meaningless yards doesn't really tell us much (isn't that right, Bears fans?). What really matters is putting points on the board. By applying a mathematical concept called the Markov chain to a drive of football, we can determine the impact of each individual play on the team's ability to score points. In essence, we're measuring a QB's ability to generate points for his team.

After doing these handy adjustments -- the same adjustments used inside every team's war room, I should add -- Russell Wilson grades out to a 0.10 NEP/P, meaning that for each pass he throws, he creates an additional 0.10 points for his team in comparison to an average QB.

In other words, he's 0.10 points better per play than Shaun Hill.

So Wilson is a 0.10. What does that mean? Well, as mentioned above, he's behind Sanchez, Flacco, Rivers, Ryan, and Palmer, not to mention the true elites. It puts him No. 14 in the NFL, just about smack dab in the middle.

But what about his rushing ability? Glad you brought that up! His rushing NEP/P is a stout 0.62, a number rivaled only by Michael Vick in his prime. Still, even with adding his rushing efficiency in, Russell Wilson still only moves to No. 9 on the list; still behind Flacco, still behind Ryan.


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Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:00 pm to
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It's not hard to like Russell Wilson


Author has obviously never been on TD
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
33857 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:01 pm to
He's got god on his side though, so there's that.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94859 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:05 pm to
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But what about his rushing ability? Glad you brought that up! His rushing NEP/P is a stout 0.62, a number rivaled only by Michael Vick in his prime. Still, even with adding his rushing efficiency in, Russell Wilson still only moves to No. 9 on the list; still behind Flacco, still behind Ryan.
So he is the 9th best QB according to this guys weird arse metric, and that is supposed to be a negative? 9th best QB in a league of 32 is pretty damn good for a guy in only his 3rd year
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:05 pm to
Is there anything left of the horse at this point?
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:07 pm to
So basically, Wilson is between 6-10 when it comes to NFL quarterbacks.

Like all the smart people say.
Posted by TDawg1313
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94859 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

So basically, Wilson is between 6-10 when it comes to NFL quarterbacks.

Like all the smart people say.
Exactly. According to this board, I am the "king of the Wilson fanboy club", and I put him at 6 or 7. The haters literally make up things to hate on him for. "He isnt the GOAT!!!!!!!! He is not the BEST QB!!!!!!"

Who said he was?
Posted by Bags of Milk
The Sunny Beaches of Canada
Member since Feb 2013
3322 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:10 pm to
Who cares if he is elite or not? Dude is going to have 2 super bowl rings after this year.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:10 pm to
The highest I could see someone arguing him is 6, and the lowest is 10th.

For me, the highest I could make the argument for him this year is 7th. The lowest is 8th. Because I think he was better than Brees.

Saints fans hate me for that.
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:13 pm to
Elite QB vs very good QB discussion often results in death on TD.
Posted by FlappingPierre
St. George
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:18 pm to
Some of you are pathetic
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:20 pm to
How so?
Posted by FlappingPierre
St. George
Member since Nov 2013
4400 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:22 pm to
Some people on this board saying he isn't a top 15 QB. People seem to forget he also ran for almost 1,000 yards as well
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Member since Jun 2008
17500 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:23 pm to
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Seahawks Fans: Russell Wilson Isn't Elite


I'm no Seahawks fan, but if I were, I wouldn't give even one frick if some deskjockey believes my QB is "elite" especially after winning back to back Super Bowls.

Kind of like the Patrick Roy quote from 96 "I can't really hear what Jeremy says, because I got my two Stanley Cup rings plugged in my ears"
Posted by Ivan The Terrible
Member since Jul 2013
144 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:24 pm to
Has anyone ever called him elite? He's in the 3rd year of his career. So he has tons of room to grow.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110660 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:10 pm to
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So he is the 9th best QB according to this guys weird arse metric, and that is supposed to be a negative? 9th best QB in a league of 32 is pretty damn good for a guy in only his 3rd year
The overall point is that he's not elite, so if you, hypothetically, assume 9th is correct, you're admitting he's not elite...which is the author's entire point.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94859 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:15 pm to
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The overall point is that he's not elite, so if you, hypothetically, assume 9th is correct, you're admitting he's not elite...which is the author's entire point.
Ok. I am going to write an article pointing out the sky is not red. Im sure there are 1 or 2 people somewhere saying it is red so an article needs to be written with precise measurements proving those two people wrong
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82010 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:37 pm to
So he wrote an article for the dumb people who think he's "elite"?

Someone dumb enough to call him elite wouldn't understand an that shite he wrote. That was pointless.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted by harry coleman beast
Left Field
Member since Aug 2008
52210 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:42 pm to
God is good, all the time
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