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re: Sarkisian's Whereabouts Are Still Unknown...UPDATE: He's in rehab
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:43 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:43 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Haden has botched a lot of things, but uh, if someone cannot even report to work -- they have to go.
Fair, but they know he has a substance abuse problem (illness) so his lack of reporting could be a serious health issue.
I think Haden dropped the ball when he didnt have him take the year off. If its true that mostly everyone around the program knows he has a drinking program, then the best thing should have been for him to have him get 24/7 help and then come back next year.
But those preseason rankings and winning those damn football games take precedent over the health of your employees.
Call me crazy, but I cant take CFB bosses in the business of leading young men seriously when they repeatedly do everything we wouldnt want our own sons to do. 
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Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:46 pm to BobbyLenMoore
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then you dont fire him yet. The interim head coach had been put in place. Make sure hes okay-- that man, despite his benders and how embarrassed that whole program, has done alot for that program in the last 15 years. They wouldnt have much of their past success without him. He seems to have a serious substance abuse problem, and if they are in the business of leading young men and showing them how to do things "the right way", then they ought to handle their firings and such "the right way". The student athletes are watching. Make sure hes okay, gets the help he needs, and then separate from him "amicably" at the end of the season. That kills the media storm and PR hit they are taking right now.
Oh, there's the missing piece. I forgot there is no such thing as personal responsibility anymore. It's the employer's responsibility to coddle and take care of him at the expense of the university and everyone else.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that alcoholism is a real and serious problem. There is some pity within me for him, but he fricking did this to himself, should be held responsible for himself. This isn't USC's problem. It's his, and the consequences are real, and they are strong.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:48 pm to BobbyLenMoore
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I think Haden dropped the ball when he didnt have him take the year off. If its true that mostly everyone around the program knows he has a drinking program, then the best thing should have been for him to have him get 24/7 help and then come back next year. But those preseason rankings and winning those damn football games take precedent over the health of your employees. Call me crazy, but I cant take CFB bosses in the business of leading young men seriously when they repeatedly do everything we wouldn't want our own sons to do.
There's our common ground!
Action should have been taken months ago when it was painfully apparent that there was a problem. Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:50 pm to TigerFanatic99
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We're just on two different wavelengths concerning this, and there's nothing wrong with that I suppose. Agree to disagree. If this were me, My "boss" would have terminated me and not thought twice about it before moving on to searching for a new candidate. I don't understand the whole "It's horrible they didn't wait a completely unknown amount of time for him to wake the frick up and make himself known to society before firing him and move on."
You talk about leadership and taking care of the "young men", well good for Hayden for acting with strength to separate that drunk from the program and immediately moving on so that they don't have to be around the alcoholic anymore
I agree with that tactic depending on the case. I think this guy has done alot for the program, plus he has a substance abuse problem, so you have to be careful with how you handle these cases. For all we know he could have drank himself to death, which would be the last thing anyone would want.
I see it as Hayden saving his own arse -- not getting Sark the necessary help the first time was due to the ridiculous emphasis they put on winning football games, preseason hype, his want to keep his job, and pressure of boosters. To me, that is a beta man that cant stand on his own feet and has no sense of real principles. That has no place in "amateur" sports. Hayden is looking out for himself throughout all this...and its petty because it effects the students more than it will really ever effect him.
I cant honor that.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:50 pm to BobbyLenMoore
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Fair, but they know he has a substance abuse problem (illness) so his lack of reporting could be a serious health issue.
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Call me crazy, but I cant take CFB bosses in the business of leading young men seriously when they repeatedly do everything we wouldnt want our own sons to do
That's just it. This is a business. Big time college football is worth $50mil+ to alot of major universities. You cant let a drunk jeopardize that. USC is a major brand, and now a laughing stock.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:52 pm to dnm3305
Sounds like he's taking The Hangover movie to heart.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:53 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:55 pm to TigerFanatic99
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There is some pity within me for him, but he fricking did this to himself, should be held responsible for himself. This isn't USC's problem. It's his, and the consequences are real, and they are strong.
Agreed, but we also live in a PC world
, and any lack of empathy plus a rash of public criticism could be hell for USC Sark totally, IMO, needs to lose his job. Cant show up to work drunk like he has. There is no excuse or place for it. He needs help. USC could have just kept the students in mind by separating him from the program early on. Now its a distraction in the midst of a pac-10 run and it could ruin the whole season. Its easy to say it in hindsight, but these kids arent professionals so who knows how they will handle the adversity?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:55 pm to TigernMS12
I know that this a serious situation for him and it isn't a laughing matter, but after reading the subject line, this picture immediately popped into my head.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:55 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
This doesn't sound good. Hopefully he just ducked off and checked into a facility.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:56 pm to Forkbeard3777
"Alcoholism is the only disease you can get yelled at for having." Mitch Hedberg
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:56 pm to BCMCubs
If he checked into a facility, I'd imagine they legally can't tell anyone except maybe family.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:56 pm to dnm3305
Business but the players are amateurs.
Its illogical and a farce that they continue to feed down our throats. And somehow the US govt is allowing them to uphold that bacculerate model of feudalism
Its illogical and a farce that they continue to feed down our throats. And somehow the US govt is allowing them to uphold that bacculerate model of feudalism
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:04 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Maybe he will lead the police on a 15 mph chase down the freeway in a white bronco
With Kiffin laying down in the back seat playing the part of AC Cowlings.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:05 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:06 pm to TigerFanatic99
Maybe he just didn't want to talk to that moron Haden. The guy fired him when he's at his lowest point and obviously needed help/intervention.
They could have left him in his "leave of absence" status and then let him resign with dignity.
I fully agree that Sark needed to go but there is a way to handle things much better than they did.
They could have left him in his "leave of absence" status and then let him resign with dignity.
I fully agree that Sark needed to go but there is a way to handle things much better than they did.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:06 pm to usc6158
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If he checked into a facility, I'd imagine they legally can't tell anyone except maybe family.
They can only tell who he allows them to tell. He's an adult, but...
I highly doubt he's in a rehab right now.
He's holed up at a hotel or a friends house with a bottle of pills and a used to be stocked liquor cabinet working his way through the stages of grief shot by shot. He'll come up for air and his agent will clean him up and get him to a rehab facility that will conveniently say he was there the entire time.
There's just no reason not to release a statement if the above scenario isn't close to reality. If he's already in treatment, you scream that from the rooftops to show he's trying.
But you can't do that if there's a chance Consuela from housekeeping finds him doing a David Carridine impression.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:08 pm to bamarep
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Maybe he just didn't want to talk to that moron Haden. The guy fired him when he's at his lowest point and obviously needed help/intervention.
They could have left him in his "leave of absence" status and then let him resign with dignity.
I fully agree that Sark needed to go but there is a way to handle things much better than they did.
I agree with this 100%.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:13 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:15 pm to SirWinston
not showing up for work or not responding to your employer may be the easiest way to have show cause and not have ot pay him a large buyout.
If they found sark, and then sark went to a treatment facility and came out of that treatment facility with high marks, then USC may have had to pay him a large buyout. because Sark made an effort to correct the issue.
now if Sark ends up dead this will make USC look REALLY REALL bad.
If they found sark, and then sark went to a treatment facility and came out of that treatment facility with high marks, then USC may have had to pay him a large buyout. because Sark made an effort to correct the issue.
now if Sark ends up dead this will make USC look REALLY REALL bad.
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