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Posted on 10/31/12 at 8:52 pm to RollTide1987
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I don't know game you are remembering but that's not how it happened. Montana only missed one pass on that final drive and that pass was thrown out of bounds because no one was open. He hit Rice down to the 20, Craig down to the 10, and then Taylor in the back of the end zone for the go ahead touchdown.
Must have been earlier in the game, but I swear there was a pass a Bengals DB dropped
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And Montana did not play in that playoff game in 1986. That's probably why they lost so bad to the Bears.
So we are one for one. Montana did play in the 86 playoff game a 49-3 loss to the Giants. The beat the Bears in the 84 and 88 NFC CG.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 8:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
In 88 that was freezer game so McMahon was traded in off season to San Diego after that. I remember it because SF/Chicago was the late game of Championship Sunday.
84 was the 15-1 year and they hammered Chicago. It was a horrible game, the Bears could not do anything on offense in Candlestick.
84 was the 15-1 year and they hammered Chicago. It was a horrible game, the Bears could not do anything on offense in Candlestick.
This post was edited on 10/31/12 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 10/31/12 at 9:01 pm to Bench McElroy
Richard Dent has a super bowl and he should be happy with that...it has been 27+ years dude!
Posted on 10/31/12 at 9:10 pm to Zamoro10
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To be fair, I'd say that's pretty dominant in a league so full of parity like the NFL.
It certainly is, especially when you look back on it. But on Nov 21, 1988 the 49er's played the defending SB champion Redskins. Both were 6-5. The Saints lead the NFC West at 9-3. Thru the 87 seasons the Redskins had gone:
82 8-1 SB Champ
83 14-2 Lost SB
84 11-5 Won NFC East, lost in Divisional Round
85 10-6 Tied for first in NFC, missed playoffs
86 12-4 Wildcard, lost NFC CG
87 11-4 Won Super Bowl
So during the 88 season it was still debatable who was the team of the decade. The Redskins lost that MNF game and finished 7-9, while SF won the SB and the next and was the team of the decade.
There was not parity in the 80's like there is today. It was more competitive than the 70's but still a handful of dominant teams. Either SF or Wash was in the NFC CG every year except 85 (chic-Rams) from 81-91. The NYG made it 3 times, Dallas and LA twice.
This post was edited on 11/1/12 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:13 pm to RollTide1987
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The 49ers should have had a threepeat. That team would have easily beaten Buffalo.
without the great Joe Montana at QB?
remember, Leonard Marshall made a brutal hit on him that put Montana on the shelf.
also, do you have any idea how explosive Buffalo's offense was that year?
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
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There was not parity in the 80's like there is today.
No, I remember...once you had a great team...you had those guys for years...there were a few stacked teams...even more so as the next decade approached with the Niners/Dallas as the real Super Bowl.
But just think...if not for Dallas loading up on a ton of Herschel Walker draft picks...how even more amazing S.F. could have been...they would have been revered like the Yankees of the 50's early 60's...and then they had the Packers to contend with.
81 - SB Champs
83 - Lost NFC Title game
84 - SB Champs
85 - Lost Wildcard playoff
86 - Lost Division playoff (Montana knocked out)
87 - Lost Division playoff - Giants SB Champs
88 - SB Champs
89 - SB Champs
90 - Lost NFC Title Game (the Roger Craig fumble while running out the clock to victory.) - Giants SB Champs
1992 NFC Champ game L - Dallas SB Champs
1993 NFC Champ game L - Dallas SB Champs
1994 SB won
1995 Division playoff L - Packers
1996 Division playoff L - Packers SB Champs
1997 NFC Champ game L - Packers NFC Champs
From 1981 - 1997 the Niners either won the SB or made it to the NFC Title game 10 times! (And that was by far the more difficult road through the NFC.)
And more often than not when they lost - they lost in the division or NFC Title Game to the eventual champs.
This post was edited on 11/1/12 at 12:00 am
Posted on 11/1/12 at 7:46 am to Zamoro10
the loss of Buddy Ryan hurt the Bears. They also used the same model as the Ravens. How many titles do the Ravens have?
There is a reason a dynasty is special. You need one hell of a coach, great QB (Bears did not have), a line of good coordinators because you will lose at least 2, and LUCK!!
Can't blame Ditka for all of that. Dent should enjoy his ring and being Richard Dent just like Ditka is doing.
There is a reason a dynasty is special. You need one hell of a coach, great QB (Bears did not have), a line of good coordinators because you will lose at least 2, and LUCK!!
Can't blame Ditka for all of that. Dent should enjoy his ring and being Richard Dent just like Ditka is doing.
Posted on 11/1/12 at 8:52 am to LSU alum wannabe
Just a reminder, the Redskins won three Super Bowls in a 10 year span (1982-1991) with three different quarterbacks.
Posted on 11/1/12 at 11:53 am to LooseCannon22282
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remember, Leonard Marshall made a brutal hit on him that put Montana on the shelf.
I thought it was Jim Burt that put that hit on Montana? I remember seeing him folded up like a piece of paper on the field.
Posted on 11/1/12 at 12:21 pm to LooseCannon22282
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without the great Joe Montana at QB?
remember, Leonard Marshall made a brutal hit on him that put Montana on the shelf.
Remember the Giants beat Buffalo with Jeff Hosteler at QB. The 49er's back up was Steve Young. He was leading the league in passing in 1991 before he got hurt and he was the MVP in 92, so I think it's possible he could have beaten Buffalo.
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do you have any idea how explosive Buffalo's offense was that year?
The 49er's D was under rated. However, Young could have hung with them.
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I thought it was Jim Burt that put that hit on Montana? I remember seeing him folded up like a piece of paper on the field
2 different hits. Burt knocked him out of a game in the mid 80's may have been 1986 Divisional game. LSU's own Leonard Marshall knocked him out of the 1990 NFC CG, basically ending his career with the 49er's. Me missed the next season and came back at the end of the 92 season, which Young won the MVP. The next year Montana was in KC.
This post was edited on 11/1/12 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 11/1/12 at 12:34 pm to Zamoro10
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From 1981 - 1997 the Niners either won the SB
They won 10 games every year during that run except the strike year 82.
The D word gets tossed around too much. The 49er's during that run was the only true dynasty in football in the last 30 plus year. The Cowboys and Patriots had great teams that won 3 of 4, but the 49er's 80-90's run they completely turned over the roster and never dropped off. Once the stars were done in Dallas, they were done.
Posted on 11/2/12 at 2:38 am to LSU alum wannabe
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, great QB (Bears did not have)
I will disagree. Jim McMahon was a huge reason for the Bears success in 1985. There is one reason and one reason only they did not win the Super Bowl in 1986 and that is Charles Martin...remember him: LINK
That is when the whole Flutie situation blew out of control. Ditka himself said, "Without McMahon, we don't win the Super Bowl in 1985...hell, we had the same team the next year and did not win it."
Dent...cried when McMahon was traded to San Diego a few years later...He knew.
Jim McMahon was the heart and Walter Payton was the soul behind the greatest football team of all-time!
Posted on 11/2/12 at 2:43 am to sms151t
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In 88 that was freezer game so McMahon was traded in off season to San Diego after that. I remember it because SF/Chicago was the late game of Championship Sunday.
You are correct! Do you remember who the Bears played the week before?
Also...are you aware that Montana's team won 4 Super Bowls and McMahon's team won 1 Super Bowl (he was on the Packers but was Favre's backup so I am not counting that).
Also, are you aware that a Jim McMahon team vs. a Joe Montana team as both at starting QB...McMahon's team was 4-1 against Montana's team. The only game a Montana team beat a McMahon team was that game.
Also, McMahon's back-up in college...Steve Young.
Montana's backup in the Pro's...Steve Young.
Posted on 11/2/12 at 5:22 am to Kafka
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Posted on 11/2/12 at 6:08 am to The White Lobster
Posted on 11/2/12 at 6:13 am to oompaw
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Ditka is the reason why the '80s Bears didn't win more Super Bowls
It could have something to do with Buddy Ryan leaving after the '85 season. He was the one who created and perfected the 4-6 defense.
Of course this is what Ditka has to say to that...
Posted on 11/2/12 at 8:17 am to oompaw
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It could have something to do with Buddy Ryan leaving after the '85 season. He was the one who created and perfected the 4-6 defense
Statistically the 86 Bears D was better than 85
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