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Remarkable stat on Meyer/Saban
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:08 pm
Since the 2004 national championship game, Saban has 5 national titles and Meyer has 3. That's 13 national championships given out, with Meyer and Saban claiming 8 of the 13. Bama and OSU are currently the two favorites for this year, while also absolutely killing it in recruiting and having talent stacked up to be among the favorites for the foreseeable future. It isn't outlandish to think Saban/Meyer could end up with 11-12 titles in a 20 year span, or something similar. Remarkable.
I know this isn't any new information, but I just randomly thought of it while thinking about the LSU coaching change.
These two are clearly on another level than anyone else. I don't think anyone comes close to Meyer or Saban in the college ranks.
For those interested, the following are the 5 coaches who each collected one of the other 13 titles in that time frame
Les Miles - fired
Mack Brown - fired
Gene Chizik - fired
Pete Caroll - NFL
Jimbo Fisher - still at FSU
ETA: Also would like to add that these coaches are doing this in an era of CFB that is more difficult than any to build such a dynasty. National championship games, and now playoff games, actually have to be won on the field rather than through polls. More schools than ever are equipped with the resources and facilities to compete for elite recruits which levels the playing field from the 50's/60's etc. where there were fewer top programs and the difference between programs was more stark.
I know this isn't any new information, but I just randomly thought of it while thinking about the LSU coaching change.
These two are clearly on another level than anyone else. I don't think anyone comes close to Meyer or Saban in the college ranks.
For those interested, the following are the 5 coaches who each collected one of the other 13 titles in that time frame
Les Miles - fired
Mack Brown - fired
Gene Chizik - fired
Pete Caroll - NFL
Jimbo Fisher - still at FSU
ETA: Also would like to add that these coaches are doing this in an era of CFB that is more difficult than any to build such a dynasty. National championship games, and now playoff games, actually have to be won on the field rather than through polls. More schools than ever are equipped with the resources and facilities to compete for elite recruits which levels the playing field from the 50's/60's etc. where there were fewer top programs and the difference between programs was more stark.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 4:15 pm
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:14 pm to Tigerfan56
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Since the 2004 national championship game, Saban has 5 national titles and Meyer has 3. That's 13 national championships given out, with Meyer and Saban claiming 8 of the 13
It's pretty remarkable
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:16 pm to TigerBait1127
2016 makes 13.
I am going off of actual title game years, i.e Saban won the 2004 national title and 2016 one.
I am going off of actual title game years, i.e Saban won the 2004 national title and 2016 one.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:17 pm to Tigerfan56
Gotcha
Wonder how many Les would have if it wasn't for saban
Wonder how many Les would have if it wasn't for saban
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:19 pm to Tigerfan56
That is pretty incredible.
It reminds me of this LeBron James flowchart. Could almost make one with Saban and Urban
It reminds me of this LeBron James flowchart. Could almost make one with Saban and Urban
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:22 pm to TigerBait1127
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Wonder how many Les would have if it wasn't for saban
I think Les would have 3 if not for Saban. Which is reasonable, and crazy to think about. Without Saban, we could be talking about Miles as the greatest coach of this generation. But his legacy will likely be someone who experienced a lot of success but ultimately underachieved.
2012 and 2013
2012 almost assuredly because Bama was the only team who could beat us. 2013 I think we win the Bama game, SEC, and beat Notre Dame.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:22 pm to Tigerfan56
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I am going off of actual title game years, i.e Saban won the 2004 national title and 2016 one.
while technically you are correct since the games were played in January, it is confusing and lame to be such a stickler for calendar correctness. LSU won the 2003 BCS Title, Alabama won the 2015 title
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:24 pm to H-Town Tiger
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while technically you are correct since the games were played in January, it is confusing and lame to be such a stickler for calendar correctness. LSU won the 2003 BCS Title, Alabama won the 2015 title
does it matter? No matter how you look at it, they've won 8/13 and are manning the two programs with the best potential to add more titles this year and in the foreseeable future, which is the point of this thread.Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:24 pm to Tigerfan56
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I think Les would have 3 if not for Saban
2 for sure, not so sure we win the 2012 SEC CG over UGA.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:28 pm to Tigerfan56
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not really but it is just unnecessarily confusing. why did you insist on using the date the game was played, rather than the season anyway? The Flags over Tiger Stadium are for 1958, 2003 and 2007, not 1959, 2004 and 2008. quote:
No matter how you look at it, they've won 8/13 and are manning the two programs with the best potential to add more titles this year and in the foreseeable future, which is the point of this thread
exactly, that's why there is no need to be a smart arse and use the year the actual final game was played rather than the season. All the record books show the season.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
I think Harbaugh might be able to put a dent in that two man dominance soon enough. I'd rate him right there with Meyer and Saban as far as pure ability, and he's now at a program where he can fully utilize his talents. I think he very well already would have had he stayed at Stanford.
I'd also like to see what Chip Kelly could do if he got back into the college game at a major program (like LSU or Texas). I don't see him lasting too long with the 49ers, and I think the siren call of the college game might bring him back.
Those are the two that I think are the biggest threats to Saban and Meyer.
I'd also like to see what Chip Kelly could do if he got back into the college game at a major program (like LSU or Texas). I don't see him lasting too long with the 49ers, and I think the siren call of the college game might bring him back.
Those are the two that I think are the biggest threats to Saban and Meyer.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
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2 for sure, not so sure we win the 2012 SEC CG over UGA.
You could argue that without bout Meyer and Saban - Les could have 4.
Now I know there are tons of other variables that go into this but just for fun and a pointless exercise-
The 2006 team which lost two games, one to UF and Meyer, was imo either the best or 2nd best Miles team at LSU and could've won the title.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:37 pm to Tigerfan56
The two best in the business.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:41 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Harbaugh is definitely the biggest threat right now. But I don't think he's quite at their level. His recruiting classes are top ten, but OSU and Bama have been pulling annual top 3 classes with a lot of number 1's. It's just recruiting and isn't always accurate but we've seen what consistently getting those super elite classes has done for them.
Also, I can't think of the last time Saban or Meyer lost a game like Harbaugh did at home to OSU last year. 42-14 or something like that. Maybe they have, but I can't remember it. And the cupboard wasn't left bare for Harbaugh so that can't be an excuse. Talent wasn't the issue at Michigan before him.
That being said, he is the biggest threat to them as far as a coach, with Herman being the young darkhorse that has the potential upside to join that group- but obviously has a long ways to go.
Also, I can't think of the last time Saban or Meyer lost a game like Harbaugh did at home to OSU last year. 42-14 or something like that. Maybe they have, but I can't remember it. And the cupboard wasn't left bare for Harbaugh so that can't be an excuse. Talent wasn't the issue at Michigan before him.
That being said, he is the biggest threat to them as far as a coach, with Herman being the young darkhorse that has the potential upside to join that group- but obviously has a long ways to go.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:43 pm to H-Town Tiger
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exactly, that's why there is no need to be a smart arse and use the year the actual final game was played rather than the season. All the record books show the season.
I wasn't trying to say you're wrong or be a smart arse
I don't know why I put it like that in the OP - I think because I looked on Wikipedia and that is how I saw the titles listed, just didn't think it would be relevant or anyone would care.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:55 pm to Tigerfan56
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Harbaugh is definitely the biggest threat right now. But I don't think he's quite at their level. His recruiting classes are top ten, but OSU and Bama have been pulling annual top 3 classes with a lot of number 1's. It's just recruiting and isn't always accurate but we've seen what consistently getting those super elite classes has done for them.
It's his biggest hurdle at the moment, but he pulled in a pretty damn good class last year - one behind OSU IIRC. Lagging a bit this year, but I bet he closes strong.
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Also, I can't think of the last time Saban or Meyer lost a game like Harbaugh did at home to OSU last year. 42-14 or something like that. Maybe they have, but I can't remember it. And the cupboard wasn't left bare for Harbaugh so that can't be an excuse. Talent wasn't the issue at Michigan before him.
Eh, I am not sure about that. I'd probably say that Louisiana Monroe loss Alabama had in 2007 (which came in the middle of a four game losing streak) is worse than anything Michigan had last year. That 2014 VT loss by OSU was pretty damn bad as well - that was not a good VT team by any stretch of the imagination.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:18 pm to Tigerfan56
Harbaugh will be better than both and I'm not a Michigan fan
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:58 pm to Tigerfan56
Coaching tiers
GOD tier: Saban
Immortal tier: Meyer
Awesome tier: Harbaugh, Dantonio, Dabo, Jimbo
Great tier: Shaw, Herman, Patterson, Petersen, Petrino, Stoops
I might've missed someone somewhere. But not surprisingly, nearly all of these coaches have top 25 teams and/or have been dominant forces in their leagues for years.
GOD tier: Saban
Immortal tier: Meyer
Awesome tier: Harbaugh, Dantonio, Dabo, Jimbo
Great tier: Shaw, Herman, Patterson, Petersen, Petrino, Stoops
I might've missed someone somewhere. But not surprisingly, nearly all of these coaches have top 25 teams and/or have been dominant forces in their leagues for years.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
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2 for sure, not so sure we win the 2012 SEC CG over UGA.
That would have been a hell of a game
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:13 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Eh, I am not sure about that. I'd probably say that Louisiana Monroe loss Alabama had in 2007 (which came in the middle of a four game losing streak) is worse than anything Michigan had last year. That 2014 VT loss by OSU was pretty damn bad as well - that was not a good VT team by any stretch of the imagination.
The Iron Bowl meltdown in 2010 was bad. Saban also had his share of clunkers in Baton Rouge. UAB in 2000, FU in 2001, VT, Bama, and Texas in 2002, UGA in 2004.
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