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re: Post your unpopular sports opinions
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:19 am to alajones
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:19 am to alajones
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But there are QBs without rings in the HoF. Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon?
Exhibit A for why we don't use championships as a barometer for QB greatness. Thank you for your convenient contradiction.
Exhibit B: Trent Dilfer
Exhibit C: Mark Rypien
Exhibit D: Doug Williams
Exhibit E: Joe Namath
Exhibit F: Jeff Hostetler
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:21 am to alajones
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Negative. Just like it takes HOF NBA players to win championships, it more often than not requires a HOF caliber QB to win a Super Bowl. Numbers don't lie.
Terrible analogy.
Unlike in basketball where an elite player like Lebron James can simply take matters into his own hands and score on every trip down the floor, the QB can only be successful when his friends are being cooperative. His o-line cooperates by preventing large, agile, and angry defensive linemen from plowing into him before he even has a chance to get his feet set. And hsi receiving corps cooperates by creating a reasonable amount of space between themselves and the defender such that a pass can be safely attempted, and then also by catching that pass when it comes spiraling in their direction.
ETA: Oh, and he doesn't play on defense or special teams either. That's sort of an important consideration.
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:23 am to Sophandros
quote:Oh frick if you aren't even going to be serious than we can't continue this conversation. Hebert is a perfect example of a great team being held back by a shitty QB. Hebert could have never lead the Saints or the Cowboys to jack shite because he sucked.
I'll put it this way: put Bobby Hebert on those teams and the Cowboys still win three Super Bowls.
Now put Aikmen on the Saints teams and see how succesful we are in the early 90's with that defense we had.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:24 am to gizmoflak
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There's a reason why Tyson had a Nintendo game, and Ali didn't
This is one of the dumbest posts I've read on this board, and there are many.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:33 am to gizmoflak
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19-y.o. Tyson was a machine. There was no "getting in his head" or "wearing him down"
I'm like Tyson's biggest fan. He was an absolutely masterful technical fighter before he fired Kevin Rooney and the rest of the team that Cus had assembled for him. And so just like I look at a small window of Ali's career, and separate it out from the rest. I also just look at a small window in Tyson's career and separate it out from the rest.
And Tyson in that short window from '86-'88 was an absolutely brilliant fighter. He was like a billionaire's Joe Frazier.*
That being said, Ali is not a good matchup for him. In fact, Ali is definitely the worst possible matchup for him of any historical fighter.
Take three minutes and watch this clip. Clay Liston 1964 -- Round 1
What does Tyson do against that? Tyson is known as a puncher but was a speed fighter at his very core. What does he do when matched up against a guy who is just as fast and way way longer?
*And just so that we're clear, the 1960s version of Ali never has any epic wars with Joe Frazier. He wins easily on points and walks out of the ring completely unmarked.
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 10:40 am
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:34 am to JagHammer
quote:Well, technically he was right.
This is one of the dumbest posts I've read on this board, and there are many
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:37 am to alajones
quote:
Teams usually don't win Super Bowls without HOF QBS. The stats don't lie
quote:They don't lie, but how you interpret them can be misleading.
Otherwise, why are so many Super Bowls won by HOF QBs?
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:37 am to JagHammer
quote:Yeah.
This is one of the dumbest posts I've read on this board, and there are many.
Comparing atheletes of different eras is just not ever worth doing.
I remember how dominant Tyson was in 87-88. I've only seen ESPN shows about Ali.
No way to be 100% one way or the other.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:38 am to alajones
quote:Are they winning SBs because they're HOB QBs, or are they getting into the HOF because their teams won SBs?
it more often than not requires a HOF caliber QB to win a Super Bowl. Numbers don't lie.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:40 am to alajones
quote:Insert above average but not remotely HOF worthy QB, and yes, he could have, because that's what Aikman is individually as a QB.
So "insert avg QB here" could have lead the Cowboys to all those Super Bowls?
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:41 am to alajones
quote:They'd be the same.
Now put Aikmen on the Saints teams and see how succesful we are in the early 90's with that defense we had
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:41 am to shel311
quote:
Are they winning SBs because they're HOB QBs, or are they getting into the HOF because their teams won SBs?
He has difficulty with questions of causation. You're just gonna give the poor guy a headache.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:41 am to shel311
quote:Well I guess my unpopular opinion is that most of the time (like 80%), you need a HoF caliber QB to win a Super Bowl.
They don't lie, but how you interpret them can be misleading.
Great QBs are what they are. They are great regardless of a ring or not. Not because of it.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:43 am to shel311
quote:
They'd be the same.
Okay, since no one is going to be serious anymore. I guess I should maybe do some work.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:43 am to alajones
quote:
Oh frick if you aren't even going to be serious than we can't continue this conversation. Hebert is a perfect example of a great team being held back by a shitty QB. Hebert could have never lead the Saints or the Cowboys to jack shite because he sucked.
Now put Aikmen on the Saints teams and see how succesful we are in the early 90's with that defense we had
What made Aikman THAT much better than Hebert? What part of playing the QB position separated Aikman by miles and miles and miles from Hebert?
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:45 am to alajones
quote:Let me try it from a different angle.
Okay, since no one is going to be serious anymore. I guess I should maybe do some work.
If Aikman was sooooooo much better than Hebert as you claim, why didn't the soooooooo much better QB product so much more and so much more efficiently than Hebert?
He's better, he should have had much better stats, right?
After all, YOU said stats don't lie, so which is it? The stats are lying? Or you're admitting Aikman wasn't much better?
I think you boxed yourself on the "stats don't lie" thing
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:46 am to panterica
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This. Dribbling, crossovers, sneaky passes, blocking out with anticipation to where the rebound is going to bounce according to the projection of the shot, constant court awareness on the level of any QB, and a made 3-pointer is at least as impressive as the perfect long pass in football.
Cracking an outright winner off a serve return requires way way way more hand-eye coordination than draining a three pointer.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:50 am to SabiDojo
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Tyson would have tattooed Ali on the chin.
When Ali was 32, yes.
When Ali was 24, no.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:51 am to shel311
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Let me try it from a different angle.
If Aikman was sooooooo much better than Hebert as you claim, why didn't the soooooooo much better QB product so much more and so much more efficiently than Hebert?
He's better, he should have had much better stats, right?
After all, YOU said stats don't lie, so which is it? The stats are lying? Or you're admitting Aikman wasn't much better?
I think you boxed yourself on the "stats don't lie" thing
Can I clarify one thing for the record?
Stats lie all the time.
That's all. Carry on.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:52 am to shel311
quote:I think you are trying to put words in my mouth. I was specifically referring to Super Bowls. Not sure where I said anything else. So you want to look up Aikmen's playoff record and Hebert's and get back to me?
I think you boxed yourself on the "stats don't lie" thing
quote:Passing stats =/= great. Great is not throwing a red zone INT in a playoff game.
He's better, he should have had much better stats, right?
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