re: Peyton Manning = tGOAT - Is it settled now?

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1 game for your life, and you're taking all those guys in their prime over a prime Manning?

Yikes

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Peyton has 3 tds to 8 tos in his SB appearances.

I'm not joking either.

Peyton against the Bears: 1 td, 1 int, 1 lost fumble
Peyton against the Saints: 1 td, 1 int*
Peyton against the 'Hawks: 1 td 2 int, 1 lost fumble
Peyton against the Panthers: 0 td, 1 int, 1 lost fumble

*a pick 6 that basically sealed the SB

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Peyton against the Saints: 1 td, 1 int*

*a pick 6 that basically sealed the SB

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For the 562nd time: Peyton had a good game against the Saints, aside from the one pick. And his mistake was not seeing the open man across the middle. The int was partly on Wayne, the fact that it was returned for a TD even more so.

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Based on the stats you posted???

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Not so much raw stats, but on intangibles. A lot of my picks were. Bradshaw, Montana, even Brees - you always knew those guys were going to go if they were on one leg - if the ball was loose, they're going to dive on it. They're going to give it 100% for the team goal.

Manning (all the Mannings, in fact) is going to play - up to a point - but ultimately, he's interested in personal goals over team goals.

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I'm just saying, you said you'd take Elway and gave a list of stats as reasons

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I was responding to someone else who said "Elway wasn't great on the big stage, either." - referring to the early Bronco losses in the Superbowl - ignoring the fact that he was the main reason they were in the Superbowl in the first place.

That's demonstrably not true about Manning - especially not tonight. He is the Marino of this era, but fortunate enough to get into a few Superbowls and have the defense win for him tonight. Good for him, but it definitely doesn't help his GOAT credentials - at all. He was a great pure passer - one of the best, maybe. But the QB position is - at the end of the day - more than just passing.

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Brady has played for the greatest coach in NFL history his whole career. New England only has a 13% increase in production with Brady. That's how good Bellichick is at coaching.

Manning has taken four different coaches to Superbowls and won superbowls on different teams. The first ever to do so.

Manning > Brady DWI

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All of this. Manning has been the brain/play for the successes of his career, while Brady was winning Super Bowls before he really became an elite QB on an elite defense and a HOFer coach.

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while Brady was winning Super Bowls before he really became an elite QB on an elite defense and a HOFer coach.

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Exactly. Brady has a SB MVP where he threw for 145 yards. If yoi askes any qb if they would rather have 2 great wrs or a great defense and the best coach ever, they all would choose the latter.

Most of those players you listed for Manning were all playing on that team at the exact same time whereas those players you listed for Brady were spread out over his career.

And I also love how you ignore that Peyton Manning's coach was Tony Dungy - a man who has just been inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Most of those players you listed for Manning were all playing on that team at the exact same time whereas those players you listed for Brady were spread out over his career. 

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i used Mannings career too. It still doesnt change the fact that Brady has had almost twice as many allpro teammates. The gap is really bigger when you count probowls. Brady has had almost 4 times as many teammates make a probowl as Manning has had.

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And I also love how you ignore that Peyton Manning's coach was Tony Dungy - a man who has just been inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 

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Tony Dungy is no where near the coach that Belichick is.