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re: Penn State students holding vigil at Joe Paterno statue
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:24 am to vl100butch
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:24 am to vl100butch
I agree with the age thing.. Not hard to slip a lot of stuff past someone that old. Being a head coach has a lot of responsibilities and requires more attention than he could give.
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:27 am to PortCityTiger82
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I agree with the age thing.. Not hard to slip a lot of stuff past someone that old. Being a head coach has a lot of responsibilities and requires more attention than he could give.
I kind of do- some people start getting 'old' a lot younger than others. Maybe a term limit on coaches?
Posted on 7/19/12 at 2:12 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
Mr. Tom, please understand I am not trying to pass any judgement on you. Can you try to explain to me how the board would not want to immediately remove the statue and anything Joe Paterno had involvement in at PSU. Regardless of what he knew didn't know, this is the saddest and worst scandal to hit sports in this country ever. The only way Penn State moves forward is by removing the physical reminders. I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty but the statues and anything else his name is on should go.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 2:57 pm to TigerFanNKaty
The BOT has to be more patient because, although the rest of the country is pissed, most of the rest of the country do not contribute big dollars to PSU. They have to give the local people a bit of time to come around with the rest of us. They've had their head up JoePa's arse for so long.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 3:18 pm to tigerpimpbot
From what I heard on teh news the other day the NCAA has asked PSU for an update on the case (presumably this is a preliminary request and an investigation and/or penalties may follow in the future).
Given the NCAA issues, the ongoing legal issues from families of victims, and a high likelihood of more shoes to drop the board actually does have a lot of other pressing matters to attend to at the moment. BUT... the statue is going to have to come down. If it were up during the regular season it would be a massive distraction and a regular target of ridicule for the university.
I am starting to wonder if a one year Death Penalty with sanctions following wouldn't be a good thing for PSU on the balance? Things are just so raw and so crazy right now. When students and others are holding vigils for Paterno instead of the child victims that tells you how irrational and emotional people that close to the situation are feeling.
Maybe giving a one year Death Penalty is doing them a favor?
Given the NCAA issues, the ongoing legal issues from families of victims, and a high likelihood of more shoes to drop the board actually does have a lot of other pressing matters to attend to at the moment. BUT... the statue is going to have to come down. If it were up during the regular season it would be a massive distraction and a regular target of ridicule for the university.
I am starting to wonder if a one year Death Penalty with sanctions following wouldn't be a good thing for PSU on the balance? Things are just so raw and so crazy right now. When students and others are holding vigils for Paterno instead of the child victims that tells you how irrational and emotional people that close to the situation are feeling.
Maybe giving a one year Death Penalty is doing them a favor?
Posted on 7/19/12 at 4:02 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Can you try to explain to me how the board would not want to immediately remove the statue and anything Joe Paterno had involvement in at PSU.
My guess is that they are hoping that as this sinks in, those fans, like the ones you see camping out, will come to their senses. It would make the removal easier and not end with a possible violent outcome. It needs to go before the official start of the fall semester because there's no way they want a thousand students out there being idiots and following the crowd.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 4:04 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
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Mr. Tom Morrow
I've been saying to leave the thing up as a reminder of how we can fail
but with these kids holding a vigil....man I don't know what the hell to think anymore
I feel for the good people that support Penn St
Posted on 7/19/12 at 4:09 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
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It needs to go before the official start of the fall semester because there's no way they want a thousand students out there being idiots and following the crowd.
Absolutely. They need to do it at a time when there wouldnt be as much attention to it as now, either in support of it or against it.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 4:13 pm to stapuffmarshy
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I've been saying to leave the thing up as a reminder of how we can fail
I saw an Op-Ed on CNN that suggested leaving it up as a reminder of that as well. He even suggested making it a forum for people to discuss child abuse related issues. My problem with that is that bronze statues should be reserved for truly great people that did great things (disease cures, world peace, etc.). JoePa was a great coach that had some admirable humanitarian qualities, but he failed on an epic scale by turning a blind eye to those kids. He certainly doesn't deserve a statue and at this point it will be the focal point of arguments unless it's removed. I've said from the beginning of my posting here that the university needs to distance itself from JoePa so that people can start healing. Until then, the idiots on both sides if the argument will continue to escalate the whole situation until it spirals out of control. Mark my words, if the statue is standing for the first home game, something bad will happen because of the emotional symbolism of that statue.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 4:21 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
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My problem with that is that bronze statues should be reserved for truly great people that did great things (disease cures, world peace, etc.). JoePa was a great coach that had some admirable humanitarian qualities, but he failed on an epic scale by turning a blind eye to those kids. He certainly doesn't deserve a statue and at this point it will be the focal point of arguments unless it's removed. I've said from the beginning of my posting here that the university needs to distance itself from JoePa so that people can start healing. Until then, the idiots on both sides if the argument will continue to escalate the whole situation until it spirals out of control. Mark my words, if the statue is standing for the first home game, something bad will happen because of the emotional symbolism of that statue.
+1 Well said.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 4:59 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
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I've said from the beginning of my posting here that the university needs to distance itself from JoePa so that people can start healing
And because Penn St. should want a reputation on its own merit not JoePa's. Its a good University and would be a damn shame to let football screw it up.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 5:39 pm to tiggerthetooth
I think it would be a good idea form some beloved former players to talk some sense into the portion of the fan base that clearly is having trouble letting go.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 6:29 pm to ohiovol
quote:Great idea, but I wonder if they'd turn on their own.
I think it would be a good idea form some beloved former players to talk some sense into the portion of the fan base that clearly is having trouble letting go.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 7:05 pm to KosmoCramer
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And another thing... I don't see any reason that Joe should be investigated ever. He earned the right to do whatever he wanted with his program. Once you have built what he did over umpteen years, you will understand what needs to be done when things get tough. He protected his program and the culture he created.
From your link in the MO coach defending Joe thread. I know this is "just one guy" but
Posted on 7/19/12 at 7:08 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
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I'm not about quelling free speech, but I agree these idiots need to shut up and let the university fix this crap. The more they set up tents, the worse it looks, regardless if whether or not it's just a few people.
This is the right response.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 7:18 pm to OMLandshark
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...This is an Oniion article right... I knew it was bad, but sweet Christ. Does anyone still think they don't deserve the death penalty? This is pretty much what I'm talking about in that their fans need to be knocked back to Earth. The Death Penalty is the only way to do this.
Idk... I don't think the vocal minority would be convinced by the death penalty. If anything, it may solidify their feelings of martyrdom and make the silent majority even more silent. I'm rethinking this...
Posted on 7/19/12 at 7:36 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Idk... I don't think the vocal minority would be convinced by the death penalty. If anything, it may solidify their feelings of martyrdom and make the silent majority even more silent. I'm rethinking this...
I agree. It seems like they're feeling isolated, and the death penalty would probably make them feel like victims.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 9:23 pm to Sophandros
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quote: but it validates the point i've been bringing up all along and lsugrrrl so very well explained the other night on the penn state identity being so wrapped up in joe paterno....
I have a fan
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I don't know about that. Could back fire and make them martyrs...
Damn! Beat me to it... By a lot!
Posted on 7/19/12 at 9:30 pm to LSUGrrrl
well, i got an interesting reply to a penn state harrisburg alumni e-mail tonight...this went to the entire alumni list:
and he unsubscribed from the list!!!
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I am not a pedophile, but the entire universe thinks I am.
and he unsubscribed from the list!!!
Posted on 7/19/12 at 9:37 pm to vl100butch
I'm really sorry to hear that. The students & alumni need to come together to support each other & rebuild the university's image. The vigils are doing real harm but alumni staying silent and disengaging is just as bad. Neither will help them all move forward.
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