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Penn State Sanctions
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:35 pm
I know they got reduced significantly from the original punishment a year or two ago. Does anyone know what they ended up losing scholarship wise? Seems like they got off fairly easy to be this good in under 5 years.
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:38 pm to TomRollTideRitter
They've been top 20ish in recruiting the last 3 years and pushing top 10 for this coming year. They aren't as void of talent as I thought they were
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:39 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Ole Miss 2025 National Champions
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:40 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I was just wondering this. And JoePa got his wins restored.
'Like it never happened'
'Like it never happened'
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:41 pm to TomRollTideRitter
The NCAA had no business punishing them in the first place, it was a purely legal matter that provided no competitive advantage.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:41 pm to Schmelly
So they got pretty much a slap on the wrist? A smaller brand probably would've been slaughtered like SMU
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:i dont get why people keep saying this when lack of institutional control is absolutely punishable by the NCAA
he NCAA had no business punishing them in the first place
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:42 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Someone mentioned in the pre game this is the first year Penn State has all scholarships available to them.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The NCAA had no business punishing them in the first place, it was a purely legal matter that provided no competitive advantage.
I don't see why people keep saying this when Penn State intentionally covered up criminal behavior so as to not be placed at a competitive disadvantage through the negative publicity.
The initial NCAA punishment was not enough, and the fact it was cut back is insulting.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:47 pm to lsusa
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I don't see why people keep saying this when Penn State intentionally covered up criminal behavior so as to not be placed at a competitive disadvantage through the negative publicity.
The initial NCAA punishment was not enough, and the fact it was cut back is insulting.
I completely agree
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:47 pm to goldenbadger08
Thanks. Do you know about how many they lost per year? It seems likely to me when the NCAA handed down the huge original punishment there was a hidden agreement the sanctions would be reduced when the commotion died down.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:48 pm to WestCoastAg
Because what Penn State did doesn't meet the definition lack institutional control, which is applicable only in cases where NCAA rules were violated.
Penn State violated no NCAA rules with regards to the Sandusky case. That may be distasteful and uncomfortable to accept, but it's technically true. They therefore cannot be charged with a lack of institutional control.
Penn State was punished by the NCAA because of public pressure. No other reason.
Penn State violated no NCAA rules with regards to the Sandusky case. That may be distasteful and uncomfortable to accept, but it's technically true. They therefore cannot be charged with a lack of institutional control.
Penn State was punished by the NCAA because of public pressure. No other reason.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:49 pm to TomRollTideRitter
They had a total of 75 scholarships in 2014, 80 in 2015 and then the full 85 in 2016.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:yes, they did not have foresight to actually write down that kiddie rape is against NCAA rules. Can I get a link to the issue that lack of institutional control only applies to defined NCAA rules? Because I have a hard time believing they would handcuff themselves like that
which is applicable only in cases where NCAA rules were violated
They intentionally covered up crimes to give themselves an advantage over the shite hitting the fan when it became public. That is absolutely stuff that the NCAA should be regulating
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:50 pm to lsusa
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I don't see why people keep saying this when Penn State intentionally covered up criminal behavior so as to not be placed at a competitive disadvantage through the negative publicity.
Pure conjecture and speculation.
The NCAA caved to public pressure. That's it.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:50 pm to lsusa
Rather the punishment was right or wrong, I find the mentality of their fans disturbing. Even as a UA student and lifelong fan, I think I'd go to routing for my hometown MTSU blue raiders if something like that happened at UA. I certainly wouldn't be defending anyone involved.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:51 pm to goldenbadger08
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:56 pm to WestCoastAg
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dont get why people keep saying this when lack of institutional control is absolutely punishable by the NCAA
That's about sports and pretty much every rule is about boosters, recruiting and cash handouts.
It's not about being cops and doing the cops job. It's not a district attorney rule either. If they can't investigate and prosecute why is the NCAA inserting their weight on a prosecution state matter, that failed.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:58 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:bullshite. It's about keeping institutions from doing shite they aren't supposed to do
That's about sports and pretty much every rule is about boosters, recruiting and cash handouts.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:07 pm to WestCoastAg
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yes, they did not have foresight to actually write down that kiddie rape is against NCAA rules
The NCAA is designed to regulate and maintain the competitive legitimacy of of college athletics. It is not designed to punish criminal activities. If a coach murders someone, should the NCAA punish the program? Of course not. Should they if another coach covers it up? Again, no.
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Can I get a link to the issue that lack of institutional control only applies to defined NCAA rules?
Institutional control is defined by the NCAA as "the efforts institutions make to comply with NCAA legislation and to detect and investigate violations that do occur."
It then outlines numerous examples, all of which involve maintaining he competitive legitimacy of the game.
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Because I have a hard time believing they would handcuff themselves like that
The NCAA only has the power that the programs collectively give them. Let me ask you: If tomorrow every program decided to tell the NCAA to piss off what would happen?
The answer is the NCAA would instantly cease to exist because they have NO real legal or political power whatsoever. They are like paper money, built entirely on faith in their value.
Now what happens if Penn State told the law to piss off?
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 8:08 pm
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