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re: Official 2016 MLB Winter Meetings Thread - Aroldis Chapman to the Yankees
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:21 pm to barry
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:21 pm to barry
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I don't hold it against any team trading away young pitching talent
So you think teams shouldn't hold on to young pitching talent? I don't understand
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:23 pm to barry
its been a long day, bare
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:23 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
So you think teams shouldn't hold on to young pitching talent? I don't understand
Not if someone is willing to give up a ~4 win 28 year old bat, especially when its CF with 5 years of control at insanely cheap prices.
The hit rate for pitching prospects is a lot lower than hitting ones.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:24 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
its been a long day, bare
I know, you had me thinking for a second the trade had went through, then i remembered Moncada
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:26 pm to barry
That's a lot of qualifiers but okay. I still think they would have been much better suited to go hard after signing Fowler and keeping Giolito but whatever
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:36 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Think about it this way, Eaton is a 4 win player NOW. The risk of him not being a 4 win player are pretty low. The odds of a pitching. Prospect ever being a 4 win player are pretty low, especially pitchers.
Fowler will cost twice as much and is two years older.
Fowler will cost twice as much and is two years older.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:37 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
What's the latest on Chapman
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:40 pm to barry
quote:
Think about it this way, Eaton is a 4 win player NOW. The risk of him not being a 4 win player are pretty low. The odds of a pitching. Prospect ever being a 4 win player are pretty low, especially pitchers.
Eaton has never been a 4 win player as a CF, so I'd say the odds of him not being a 4 win player are at least decent.
They're set up for a pretty rough rebuild in 4 years or so
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:47 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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They're set up for a pretty rough rebuild in 4 years or so
Maybe so, but in the mean time they are a legit WS contender and that is the point of pro sports.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:49 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Eaton is a very nice pick-up for the Nats.
You dumb.
You dumb.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:50 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Also -- this labeling players by their wins is the dumbest mother fricking trend in the universe.
That isn't an anti-metrics stance. I believe in them aiding the process.
But Christ. It's so arbitrary and incomplete to say a guy is an X game winner.
That isn't an anti-metrics stance. I believe in them aiding the process.
But Christ. It's so arbitrary and incomplete to say a guy is an X game winner.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:51 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
They're set up for a pretty rough rebuild in 4 years or so
I was thinking this yesterday. This deal now cements it. Giolito was the only thing keeping the Nats farm system from being bottom 10. Rizzo is a self described "win now" GM. Their recipe is unsustainable. I actually think it will be less than 4 years.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:51 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Never said he wasn't, I just think they dealt way too much to get him.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:56 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
I understand it, if trading had been as analytical back in the day the Tigers grabbing Might and Dontrelle may have been seen differently. The Tigers essentially gave up 2 of their top 10 and more from their top 20 in the farm system at the time I believe.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:56 pm to barry
I went back a few years to 2011 to pull the top pitching prospects from BA's top 20 prospects.
Julio Tehran
Hellickson
Taillon
Shelby Miller
Matt Moore
Pineda
Mìke Montegomery
Chris Sale
Julio Tehran
Hellickson
Taillon
Shelby Miller
Matt Moore
Pineda
Mìke Montegomery
Chris Sale
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:57 pm to barry
quote:
Maybe so, but in the mean time they are a legit WS contender and that is the point of pro sports.
To me they are where the Braves were from 2010-13. They will win 90+ games but not a threat to do much more.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 6:07 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:
But Christ. It's so arbitrary and incomplete to say a guy is an X game winner.
It's not arbitrary and it's the opposite of incomplete.
Look it's an easy way to refer to a player and in trade discussion I think it's a quick and dirty estimate. It's better than saying he's a .300 hitter
Posted on 12/7/16 at 6:17 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
ats
Never said he wasn't, I just think they dealt way too much to get him.
You're speaking logically. There is no real logic in this.
Is it logical that Fowler will get 18-20 million a year? No.
Nothing is logical. It's just how crazy do you want to be.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 6:19 pm to barry
How can something be a "quick and dirty estimate" while being the opposite of incomplete?
I get why it has value.
I just hate it. I'm throwing a tantrum about it. Let me do this.
I get why it has value.
I just hate it. I'm throwing a tantrum about it. Let me do this.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 6:35 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Chicago White Sox 
But my Reds:
What's the point in trading valuable pieces away, for younger pieces, only to trade them when they become valuable? Are we going to perpetually plan for the future? What a CF.
The Nats look good with Eaton; I'm not crazy about what they gave up, and to who, but if Eaton can give four wins in CF, or even 3.5, it will pay off. We've all seen what the Nats have done....
But my Reds:
What's the point in trading valuable pieces away, for younger pieces, only to trade them when they become valuable? Are we going to perpetually plan for the future? What a CF.
The Nats look good with Eaton; I'm not crazy about what they gave up, and to who, but if Eaton can give four wins in CF, or even 3.5, it will pay off. We've all seen what the Nats have done....
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