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NFL explains personal foul confusion at the end of Giants/Saints game
Posted on 11/4/15 at 7:57 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 7:57 am
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Was going to post on the Saints board but I remembered a thread or two on this subject here.
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According to NFL spokesman Michael Signora, after the officials correctly threw the flag on punter Brad Wing for grabbing the facemask of Willie Snead, they changed their minds and decided there would be no penalty because the play actually ended when the return man, Marcus Murphy, fumbled forward.
However, after a further discussion, the officials realized that, as an NFL spokesman confirmed on Sunday, “A personal foul cannot be ignored and must be enforced.” That’s when they re-instated the 15-yard penalty that set up Kai Forbath’s game-winning, 50-yard field goal.
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Tom Coughlin was incensed that he “couldn’t get a word” out of the officials when he went looking for an explanation. In the end, though, the officials did get the call right.
“The flag was thrown by the umpire immediately for a facemask against New York,” Signora said in an email to the Daily News. “The officials conferenced and that discussion centered around the fact that because the play was dead when New Orleans recovered the fumble, there would be no penalty. After the initial announcement to that effect – that there would be no penalty – the officials further discussed the penalty and correctly determined that because it was a personal foul, it must be enforced.”
Was going to post on the Saints board but I remembered a thread or two on this subject here.
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:02 am to sicboy
Holy shite, are these officials serious? This scenario pops up at least once a week
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 8:04 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:04 am to Spilled Milk
They got it right is the important thing. Lot of stuff happening and a call like that can (and did) decide the outcome of the game. Make sure you made the right call.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:11 am to sicboy
I understand they got it right, but who decided that a personal foul doesn't get tacked on in the first place? Even my wife knows personal fouls never get picked up 
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:17 am to sicboy
Bunch of clowns. We need some replacement refs
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:20 am to SoFresh
still begs the question:
Murphy fumbles ball forward
Still live ball
Snead recovers ball not down
is this a dead ball or does snead need to be brought to the ground before its a dead ball?
Murphy fumbles ball forward
Still live ball
Snead recovers ball not down
is this a dead ball or does snead need to be brought to the ground before its a dead ball?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:34 am to Chad504boy
Someone posted on ST about you can't advance a fumble under 2 minutes left? So I guess that means it's dead once someone establishes possession?
I want to say that's not an actual rule, but maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe it just applies on punts? None of that sounds right.
I want to say that's not an actual rule, but maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe it just applies on punts? None of that sounds right.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:36 am to sicboy
Hopefully we make the rule book longer so we can get some clear explanations.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:39 am to sicboy
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I want to say that's not an actual rule
they said it was a rule during the broadcast.
It is an official rule, it's just new is where the confusion comes in I believe because I think they said it was either put in place this past offseason or the previous offseason.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:41 am to Chad504boy
quote:
still begs the question:
Murphy fumbles ball forward
Still live ball
Snead recovers ball not down
is this a dead ball or does snead need to be brought to the ground before its a dead ball?
it doesn't beg the question at all. Once a saint established possession after the fumble, the play is dead. Simple as that.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:42 am to LSUSoulja08
And it must be an NFL rule only when you think about the Michigan State/Michigan game, or was that rule a blocked punt?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:45 am to sicboy
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:56 am to Chad504boy
quote:I know that there is a rule that you can't advance a muffed punt or kick, so I'm assuming that applies to the return, as well. I believe there is a similar rule on offense. My guess is that this is to prevent football from resembling rugby. Otherwise, you could strategically fumble the ball when getting tackled, only to have a speedy receiver scoop it up and take it to the house.
is this a dead ball or does snead need to be brought to the ground before its a dead ball?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:59 am to sicboy
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And it must be an NFL rule only when you think about the Michigan State/Michigan game, or was that rule a blocked punt?
You dont understand the difference between an offensive player advancing a fumbled ball and a defensive player returning a fumbled ball?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:01 am to LSUSoulja08
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quote:
still begs the question:
Murphy fumbles ball forward
Still live ball
Snead recovers ball not down
is this a dead ball or does snead need to be brought to the ground before its a dead ball?
it doesn't beg the question at all. Once a saint established possession after the fumble, the play is dead. Simple as that.
I think the issue is if Snead recovers and he possibly fumbles. If he fumbles and possession change do they allow it?
Also we have seen them review certain plays like illegal hits that occurred during turnovers but were reversed. They still enforce the penalty.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:05 am to chrisharrisbaby
That referee/ Aaron Rodgers commercial seems to be truer to life than we thought
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:20 am to Hester Carries
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You dont understand the difference between an offensive player advancing a fumbled ball and a defensive player returning a fumbled ball?
So the distinction is between offensive and defensive player? OK. That clarifies that then.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:33 am to sicboy
Under their original pretense you couldn't call a PF on a late hit out of bounds 
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:51 am to Grit-Eating Shin
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I know that there is a rule that you can't advance a muffed punt or kick, so I'm assuming that applies to the return, as well.
What if Snead recovers it and instead of advancing it runs backwards? Is it still a dead ball?
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