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NBA MVP and the Thunder
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:32 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:32 am
After watching Harden and Westbrook play this series I feel like they're so stupidly good on the offensive end of the court that you could give either guy MVP and be fully justified. They're just fun to watch.
I really feel sorry for the Thunder though. If they were a big market team that could eat luxury tax, then they'd have both guys and Durant. Durant is probably the best of the three but he won't put up the same numbers playing in Golden State with all the scorers to feed.
I know their defense wouldn't be great but I just wonder how many games and championships they would have won if they'd just paid a bit more and eaten the luxury tax. I would have loved to see a small market team like OKC get a chance to dominate a decade.
I really feel sorry for the Thunder though. If they were a big market team that could eat luxury tax, then they'd have both guys and Durant. Durant is probably the best of the three but he won't put up the same numbers playing in Golden State with all the scorers to feed.
I know their defense wouldn't be great but I just wonder how many games and championships they would have won if they'd just paid a bit more and eaten the luxury tax. I would have loved to see a small market team like OKC get a chance to dominate a decade.
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Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:39 am to arwicklu
Why do so many people give a frick about the NBA MVP
I can't think of a more meaningless award
I am a Rangers fan and A-Rod won the American League MVP in 2003 but I didn't give a frick because we finished dead last in the AL West for the 3rd year in a row.
NBA just needs to cut to the chase and turn the NBA into a one-on-one league because all anyone gives a frick about anymore are the individuals instead of the teams. Even the NBA markets its product using the individuals instead of the teams so why even bother having teams.
I can't think of a more meaningless award
I am a Rangers fan and A-Rod won the American League MVP in 2003 but I didn't give a frick because we finished dead last in the AL West for the 3rd year in a row.
NBA just needs to cut to the chase and turn the NBA into a one-on-one league because all anyone gives a frick about anymore are the individuals instead of the teams. Even the NBA markets its product using the individuals instead of the teams so why even bother having teams.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:43 am to goldennugget
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Why do so many people give a frick about the NBA MVP
I could not agree more. If both of these teams are out by the second round, then who really care about a voted on award.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:44 am to arwicklu
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I could not agree more. If both of these teams are out by the second round, then who really care about a voted on award.
Sometimes I wonder if Rockets/Thunder fans even care if their team advances in the playoffs
So much dick measuring over the MVP I think their true NBA finals will be the MVP announcement ceremony
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:49 am to goldennugget
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Sometimes I wonder if Rockets/Thunder fans even care if their team advances in the playoffs
I think it's like Lamar Jackson winning the Heisman based on the regular season. It's nice to get an award for great play but when you get hammered by Houston and LSU, are you really happy that a guy won an award based on the first 9 weeks of the season.
I'd imagine Clemson fans are just fine with Watson losing the award and then turning into Conan the Barbarian against Bama. It's a team sport.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:59 am to arwicklu
Imagine if Kobe and Shaq were 20 years younger and went to the Lakers and played for free. IMAGINE
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:03 am to goldennugget
I think people care because the championship has been practically conceded to the warriors, with a slight chance of the cavs winning. No one really feels like another team can win it.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:04 am to arwicklu
It don't mean a thing if you can't win that ring.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:15 am to goldennugget
I don't even care about the MVP right now because the playoffs are going on. I'll still discuss it because it's fun to talk about, but I really don't care right now.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:32 am to PrimeTime Money
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I don't even care about the MVP right now because the playoffs are going on. I'll still discuss it because it's fun to talk about, but I really don't care right now.
Same.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:33 am to PrimeTime Money
Agree. There are a lot of really good first round matchups
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:47 am to whatiknowsofar
NBA playoffs have been great so far.
Too bad the regular season is shite now.
Too bad the regular season is shite now.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:17 am to goldennugget
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Sometimes I wonder if Rockets/Thunder fans even care if their team advances in the playoffs
So much dick measuring over the MVP I think their true NBA finals will be the MVP announcement ceremony
I think both teams would love to win the championship, but they're practical and realize they've got essentially no chance in the West. Your star winning the MVP is an acceptable consolation prize.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:32 am to slackster
It's not a consultation prize at all. You just want to see your guy rewarded for such an amazing season.
Players only have a small window of time in their prime to have a legit chance to win the MVP. So when a player like Harden has such an incredible season, I'd like to see him win because this could be his best shot at it.
And it's frustrating that the media is deciding to give it to a guy on a 6th seeded 47 win team using the exact same arguments in favor of him that they used against James Harden two seasons ago when they gave the MVP to Curry.
I was okay with them giving it to Curry because he did have a great season and his team was really good. But for the media to now turn around and make the exact opposite arguments to deny Harden again, it's pretty frustrating and that's why you see Rockets fans really caring about the MVP race. It's not so much about the MVP itself as it is about debating the hypocrisy.
Players only have a small window of time in their prime to have a legit chance to win the MVP. So when a player like Harden has such an incredible season, I'd like to see him win because this could be his best shot at it.
And it's frustrating that the media is deciding to give it to a guy on a 6th seeded 47 win team using the exact same arguments in favor of him that they used against James Harden two seasons ago when they gave the MVP to Curry.
I was okay with them giving it to Curry because he did have a great season and his team was really good. But for the media to now turn around and make the exact opposite arguments to deny Harden again, it's pretty frustrating and that's why you see Rockets fans really caring about the MVP race. It's not so much about the MVP itself as it is about debating the hypocrisy.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:43 am to PrimeTime Money
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And it's frustrating that the media is deciding to give it to a guy on a 6th seeded 47 win team using the exact same arguments in favor of him that they used against James Harden two seasons ago when they gave the MVP to Curry.
I was okay with them giving it to Curry because he did have a great season and his team was really good. But for the media to now turn around and make the exact opposite arguments to deny Harden again, it's pretty frustrating and that's why you see Rockets fans really caring about the MVP race. It's not so much about the MVP itself as it is about debating the hypocrisy.
This is a Houston fallacy. Curry won because he had a clearly better year than Harden. It helped tremendously that this team was so good too - 67 wins.
This year, many of the advanced metrics support Westbrook, but Harden has been great in his own right. Houston's 8 win advantage is the only reason the race is even close. They're giving Harden a ton of credit for those wins, and rightfully so. Acting like they're throwing the records out of the window is disingenuous.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:44 am to goldennugget
Remember that time you said that weed smokers are worse than rapists and murderers?
Anyway, your constant whining about the NBA is getting lame. For someone who hates it so much, you seem to watch it a lot.
Anyway, your constant whining about the NBA is getting lame. For someone who hates it so much, you seem to watch it a lot.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:44 am to PrimeTime Money
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Players only have a small window of time in their prime to have a legit chance to win the MVP.
yup, CP3 was robbed vs Kobe because of record. Kobe was robbed vs Nash of one for the same.
CP3 will never win one, his MVP window has closed.
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I was okay with them giving it to Curry because he did have a great season and his team was really good. But for the media to now turn around and make the exact opposite arguments to deny Harden again, it's pretty frustrating and that's why you see Rockets fans really caring about the MVP race. It's not so much about the MVP itself as it is about debating the hypocrisy.
except the advanced numbers said curry was clearly better. How many games curry sat in the 4th, his hard #s look worse because he played 4 less minutes.
Per 36:
Curry: 26.2/4.7/8.5, 63.8 TS%
Harden: 26.8/5.5/6.8, 60.5 TS%
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:57 am to htran90
quote:Because you cannot give somebody imaginary stats of what they MIGHT have done if they played more minutes. You can take into account his production over the minutes he played, but you can't just add over 300 minutes to Curry's season that never took place.
except the advanced numbers said curry was clearly better. How many games curry sat in the 4th, his hard #s look worse because he played 4 less minutes. Per 36: Curry: 26.2/4.7/8.5, 63.8 TS% Harden: 26.8/5.5/6.8, 60.5 TS%
Secondly, even if you took PER 36, the numbers were very close.
And lastly, the argument at the time was the same argument we are having with Harden and Westbrook. The argument was that Curry had so much more help on his team whereas Harden carried the Rockets seemingly by himself, and unexpectedly, to the #2 seed.
Saying the MVP race wasn't close is revisionist history. But the media decided their criteria standards with that race and I was okay with that.
But what is frustrating is that now they are using the same arguments they used against Harden then to make favorable points about Westbrook now. And Curry vs. Harden was the #1 seed vs #2. This year they are using the arguments in favor of a #6 seed.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:03 am to htran90
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Kobe was robbed vs Nash of one for the same.
Kobe lost an MVP because everyone hated Kobe.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:06 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:Which is similar to what's going on now. The media picks their favorite and uses whatever bullshite arguments they can to justify it, however hypocritical the argument is.
Kobe lost an MVP because everyone hated Kobe.
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