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MJ vs Lebron: As GMs
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:44 pm
The GOAT argument as players is played out, let's move on to a more interesting argument-- who is a shittier GM?
Love for Wiggins vs Drafting Kwame?
Locking down Thompson on a near max deal and bringing in his buds to fill the 9-12 slots on the roster vs. whatever dumb contract MJ has offered lately (actually most of MJs mess ups seem draft related)?
Love for Wiggins vs Drafting Kwame?
Locking down Thompson on a near max deal and bringing in his buds to fill the 9-12 slots on the roster vs. whatever dumb contract MJ has offered lately (actually most of MJs mess ups seem draft related)?
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:45 pm to montanagator
Both suck. Who cares?
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:47 pm to montanagator
quote:Well Love for Wiggins has been a clear net positive for the Cavs. Maybe down the line it won't be, but Wiggins needs to make some drastic improvements for that to even be possible (e.g., not make Carmelo look like a more unselfish passer).
Love for Wiggins vs Drafting Kwame?
Besides, whether they got Love or kept Wiggins, each scenarios is better than Kwame Brown.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:49 pm to montanagator
Rich Cho has been in charge of drafting and player relations in CHA since he got there
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:52 pm to montanagator
You have to use MJ as GM as a player.
Eg.
LeBron gets David Blatt fired for Ty Lue. Jordan gets Doug Collins fired for Phil Jackson.
Eg.
LeBron gets David Blatt fired for Ty Lue. Jordan gets Doug Collins fired for Phil Jackson.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:52 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Well Love for Wiggins has been a clear net positive for the Cavs. Maybe down the line it won't be, but Wiggins needs to make some drastic improvements for that to even be possible (e.g., not make Carmelo look like a more unselfish passer
CP3 for Kyrie straight up would also be a smart move short term, there's a reason GMs generally aren't also the HC much less a player-- building for the short term is usually stupid, unless you're 100% you can actually get over the hump.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:53 pm to montanagator
Well one is in his 6th straight Finals as GM, so...
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:54 pm to genro
quote:Lue's first year: Finals loss
Eg.
LeBron gets David Blatt fired for Ty Lue. Jordan gets Doug Collins fired for Phil Jackson.
Phils first year: loss in conf finals
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:55 pm to montanagator
Wasting away what is left of Lebron's good years while Wiggins toils away at the 3 for 4 years is a terrible idea.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:56 pm to lsupride87
Jury's still out on if Tyronn Lue can win 12 rings with several different rosters
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:56 pm to montanagator
Put it this way, the difference between Jordan and LeBron as players is closer than the gap between LeBron and Jordan as GMs.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:56 pm to genro
quote:Yep. All we know is his first year was more productive. That is the only stone cold fact
Jury's still out on of Tyronn Lue can win 12 rings
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:57 pm to montanagator
quote:Well when you have LeBron for a few years, long term is a but irrelevant. Wiggins would have provided limited value short term, and hasn't shown enough to indicate he would provide a lot of long-term value in the first place. And even if he did, there is no grantee he would be around.
CP3 for Kyrie straight up would also be a smart move short term, there's a reason GMs generally aren't also the HC much less a player-- building for the short term is usually stupid, unless you're 100% you can actually get over the hump.
Wiggins appears to quickly becoming the most overrated player on here. The potential is there, but he's been a lesser version of Carmelo Anthony in almost every facet of the game.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:59 pm to lsupride87
quote:Collins lost the ECF his last year so no improvement, same as Lue over Blatt (assuming they lose the Finals again)
All we know is his first year was more productiv
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:01 pm to genro
quote:Awesome. Still a fact Lue had a more productive first year than Phil. Time will tell if he is on the path to 12
Collins lost the ECF his last year so no improvement, same as Lue over Blatt (assuming they lose the Finals again)
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:01 pm to genro
Actually Collins lost the ECF in 6, whereas Jackson took them to 7. So Lue has to at least take the Finals to 7 for LeBron to keep pace
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:02 pm to genro
quote:Nope. Lues first year is already more accomplished than Phils
Actually Collins lost the ECF in 6, whereas Jackson took them to 7. So Lue has to at least take the Finals to 7 for LeBron to keep pace
Absolute fact
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:04 pm to lsupride87
This exercise is stupid but if we're judging them as a GM, you have to judge how much they improve based on their personnel moves.
Based on Year 1 Jackson was a measured improvement over Collins by 1 playoff game. Will Lue be an improvement over Blatt?
Based on Year 1 Jackson was a measured improvement over Collins by 1 playoff game. Will Lue be an improvement over Blatt?
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:06 pm to genro
GMs get judged on Ws and Ls
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:09 pm to genro
quote:Well the Cavs were a better team this year with Lue than with Blatt.
Will Lue be an improvement over Blatt?
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