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re: McCaffrey should win Heisman, if justice is applied.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah just looking at guys who had more yards from scrimmage. Guess that makes me biased toward production
Guess Bama should have ran Henry once after the 1st quarter against Coastal Carolina.
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:38 pm to RTR America
quote:You do realize LF has played 1 less game, right?
Guess Bama should have ran Henry once after the 1st quarter against Coastal Carolina.
Less touches from scrimmage, more yards, 1 less game.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:39 pm to shel311
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You do realize LF has played 1 less game, right?
Less touches from scrimmage, more yards, 1 less game.
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Take a quick gander at that. Both have played 9 games against Power 5 competition, this eliminates any FCS or Group of 5 teams they may have played. That comparison favors Henry slightly.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:40 pm to shel311
And? Does winning games for your team not matter anymore? Does a Heisman moment not matter anymore? Does the timing of a player's best games and finishing strong not matter anymore?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:42 pm to RTR America
quote:Had you said henry outperformed LF H2H, you'd be correct.
That isn't any sort of boom because it left out a certain Bama/LSU game
You said he outperformed him in basically every game against common opponents. Those stats most certainly show you to be incorrect, how could you even disagree with that? More TDs, less yards on less carries, it's near even at best. In no way, shape or form could Henry have outperformed him in basically every game vs common opponents, so yea, it was a boom, and you'd probably be best served to backtrack on that one.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:43 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
quote:Fair enough, but we're talking about the entire season I thought, not sure why this shifting of the goalpost is necessary?
Take a quick gander at that. Both have played 9 games against Power 5 competition, this eliminates any FCS or Group of 5 teams they may have played. That comparison favors Henry slightly.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:44 pm to shel311
Let's just admit the truth that Dalvin Cook is the best RB in college football and is the only RB who deserves it.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:45 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Ok, let me try that...
And?
quote:And? See, silly comebacks like that one are very easy to do. I know you can do better than that.
Guess Bama should have ran Henry once after the 1st quarter against Coastal Carolina.
quote:Of course, team stats matter for teams. Does Clemson's RB deserve more Heisman pub than LF?
Does winning games for your team not matter anymore?
quote:Sure, that's sorta what we're talking about in a roundabout way.
Does a Heisman moment not matter anymore?
quote:To me? Not really. Late games in the season have no extra meaning than early games, I don't see why they would.
Does the timing of a player's best games and finishing strong not matter anymore?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:46 pm to SabiDojo
Cook seems to be in the top 2 for sure. Poor character and an average team surrounding him is holding him back...fair or not.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:47 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:47 pm to SabiDojo
quote:Probably the best stats, but not the best player. There's a difference between the 2 IMO.
Let's just admit the truth that Dalvin Cook is the best RB in college football and is the only RB who deserves it.
That being said, a Heisman or whatever award should be given based on performance/stats, so yea he'd probably get my nod over both Henry and LF right now.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:49 pm to shel311
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Fair enough, but we're talking about the entire season I thought, not sure why this shifting of the goalpost is necessary?
Sure, the entire season matters. But I'm merely saying that against quality competition Henry has looked a little bit better than LF, and has played against a bit better rush defenses on average.
Don't get me wrong, LF is a beast. He'll probably be the better NFL player and I could see him running away with the Heisman next year.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:49 pm to shel311
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Probably the best stats, but not the best player. There's a difference between the 2 IMO.
I don't know. His near 8 YPC against better rush defenses on average than Henry, LF, Zeke, or McCaffrey play is VERY impressive.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:52 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
quote:My honest take on the 3.
Sure, the entire season matters. But I'm merely saying that against quality competition Henry has looked a little bit better than LF, and has played against a bit better rush defenses on average. Don't get me wrong, LF is a beast. He'll probably be the better NFL player and I could see him running away with the Heisman next year.
Cook deserves the Heisman, best numbers and performances.
LF and Henry, kind of a toss up based on the numbers. Even if you give the nod in numbers to henry, I think knowing what we all know about LSU's horrid offense/passing game and just seeing the difference between the defenses LF faces compared to Henry(not saying Henry doesn't get extra attention, but he certainly doesn't get LF type attention because of LSU's lack of a passing game), I'd say LF has performed better than Henry, given all of the extinuating circumstances.
Call me a homer, but I also think LF has shown to be better than the other 2 guys. But again, I don't base a Heisman on that, i base it on the numbers. So it should be Cook #1 and very close between LF and #2 for best RB in the nation/Heisman/whatever award.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:53 pm to Oddibe
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I hate what the Heisman has become. It has become the "best player on the best team award" and is the most overrated trophy in college football.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:56 pm to ReauxlTide222
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The same people arguing against Henry are the same idiots who wanted that dude from Stanford to win over Ingram. I'll kiss your arse if one of these guys can pull up a post saying "Ingram has the better ypc so he should win."
You wrote all the user names down? I certainly wasn't part of that argument in any way, shape or form. Nor would I have though a RB with a pedestrian YPC should win the Heisman.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:56 pm to shel311
quote:Why would he? And who is he? Watson has topped the team in rushing in 3 of their last 4 games. Is he as important to their team as LF and Henry are to theirs?
Of course, team stats matter for teams. Does Clemson's RB deserve more Heisman pub than LF?
quote:Fair enough. But, to many voters, it matters.
To me? Not really. Late games in the season have no extra meaning than early games, I don't see why they would.
Everyone is picking and choosing stats to disqualify Henry. If ypc is so important, why is nobody talking about Matt Breiba(or whatever his name is)? Why was everyone mad about Ingram winning over Toby? Y'all sound like whiny little bitches, sorry for the name calling.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:57 pm to shel311
I don't base the Heisman solely on numbers, there are other factors.
Twice this month Bama has needed to lean on Henry to finish the game and seal the victory. He did it. He carried it 46 times against Auburn and carry #46 was a 25 yard TD run. Things like that should be considered.
I think any of the top backs could win it and no one should have a problem with it. Same for Watson and Mayfield, IMO.
Twice this month Bama has needed to lean on Henry to finish the game and seal the victory. He did it. He carried it 46 times against Auburn and carry #46 was a 25 yard TD run. Things like that should be considered.
I think any of the top backs could win it and no one should have a problem with it. Same for Watson and Mayfield, IMO.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:58 pm to RTR America
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Against Bama. The guy has tied Herschel and Bo with 200+ yd games in the SEC, just broke Bo's Iron Bowl record, broken basically every Bama single season rushing record, and will likely break Herschel's SEC rushing record, but y'all are some how confused on why he is being portrayed as the frontrunner.
Its not an SEC nor Iron Bowl award. His numbers absolutely blow compared to running backs like Melvin Gordon last year. So much worse. Why is comparing him to other old players who also had inferior numbers to more recent backs playing in this era like Gordon proving anything?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:58 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:No. But one doesn't need a census to understand the percentage of people here who thought Ingram deserved it over TG. I didn't write names down though, got me
You wrote all the user names down? I certainly wasn't part of that argument in any way, shape or form. Nor would I have though a RB with a pedestrian YPC should win the Heisman.
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