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Matt Harvey done for the season
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:29 am
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:29 am
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@AdamRubinESPN: Scott Boras tells ESPN that Matt Harvey will undergo surgery in St. Louis with Dr. Thompson to address thoracic outlet syndrome
Pretty tricky surgery, normally feel completely different after it.
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Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:30 am to UltimateHog
Damn
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:34 am to UltimateHog
man, that sucks... cant stay off the DL
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:34 am to UltimateHog
Damn that sucks.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:35 am to UltimateHog
Hope last year was worth it. Thor and Matz also having arm issues.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:35 am to UltimateHog
What exactly is thoracic outlet syndrome?
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:37 am to UltimateHog
Boras is probably going ballistic 
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:38 am to Broseph Barksdale
Sucks for him. He didn't quite make it to that big contract pitchers sign before they fall off a cliff.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:41 am to tigercubs
Compression of nerves and blood vessels in the shoulder that causes a loss of feeling/numbness in your fingers/hand.
As Harvey said, he couldn't feel the baseball.
As Harvey said, he couldn't feel the baseball.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:42 am to WestCoastAg
Phillip Hughes, Chris Young, and a couple of other pitchers have had. No one who had the success of Harvey though
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:43 am to Broseph Barksdale
quote:Jose Fernandez has basically been babied since he came up and had shoulder surgery, the Yankees did the same with Hughes and Joba and they had surgeries.
Hope last year was worth it. Thor and Matz also having arm issues.
I am convinced that these things just happen and it happens because of wear and tear long before they get to the MLB level.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:44 am to tduecen
I would love to see the data on that type of shite. If innings restrictions actually do help to prevent arm/shoulder issues
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:45 am to WestCoastAg
quote:I really doubt, based on how they are used ages 6-18.... Kids throw harder and we are seeing more and more surgeries each year.
If innings restrictions actually do help to prevent arm/shoulder issues
quote:
A 2006 study in the same journal3 found that overuse was the overriding factor in the development of arm pain among pitchers in youth baseball. That study identified the following risk factors for injury:
50 plus pitches in a game: For each additional 25 pitches thrown after reaching the 50 pitch count, the percentage of pitchers experiencing pain increased.
75 pitches in a game: The risk of shoulder pain was 2 and a half times greater for pitchers who threw more than 75 pitches per game
More than 600 pitches in a season: The risk of elbow pain was 3 1/2 times greater for pitchers throwing more than 600 pitches per season.
Pitching with tired arm: For pitchers who self-reported pitching while tired, the risk of elbow pain was 6 times greater and the risk of shoulder pain increased four-fold.
Throwing breaking pitches: Youth baseball pitchers who threw curve-balls or sliders were at an increased risk of elbow and shoulder pain [Note: The 2011 position statement on overuse injuries4 issued by the National Athletic Trainers' Association urges "caution" in allowing younger pitchers to throw curveballs. For more on the curveball debate, see #12 below and click here]
Read more: LINK
This post was edited on 7/8/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:47 am to UltimateHog
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This post was edited on 3/12/21 at 10:11 am
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:48 am to tduecen
I agree that these injuries are a product of issues that occur long before they get to MLB.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:48 am to tduecen
quote:I've always thought this was a major issue. Kids shouldn't be throwing breaking balls
Throwing breaking pitches: Youth baseball pitchers who threw curve-balls or sliders were at an increased risk of elbow and shoulder pain
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:55 am to WestCoastAg
Yet in many youth leagues they are allowed to throw a certain amount a game, which is fine but how many do they throw in practice in order to perfect it?
Kids should not be taught how to throw a breaking pitch until 16 or 17 not 8 or 9
Kids should not be taught how to throw a breaking pitch until 16 or 17 not 8 or 9
Posted on 7/8/16 at 12:17 pm to UltimateHog
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Compression of nerves and blood vessels in the shoulder that causes a loss of feeling/numbness in your fingers/hand.
Sounds like what finally ended Chris Carpenters career
Posted on 7/8/16 at 12:34 pm to Wishnitwas1998
I read something not too long ago, and the jist of the article was that every pitcher has a "number of pitches", we just don't know how to predict when that is.
Obviously mechanics and overuse can accelerate those things.
Obviously mechanics and overuse can accelerate those things.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 12:35 pm to tduecen
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Yet in many youth leagues they are allowed to throw a certain amount a game, which is fine but how many do they throw in practice in order to perfect it?
Kids should not be taught how to throw a breaking pitch until 16 or 17 not 8 or 9
Yeah it's ridiculous... What people don't get is that a breaking pitch is not hard to learn how to throw... If the kids learn how to command a change up, they'll be much better pitchers down the road with a lot less stress, then they can add the breaking pitch as they get into high school.
My brother was an MLB draft pick with poor mechanics and had already had a Tommy John surgery in college. He's had a lot of arm trouble. He's just got a lot of raw talent and lived off of his fastball and slider. He didn't have a legitimate pitching coach until he was in the minors.
If I have a son that's blessed with ability like his, he will be taught mechanics, a two seam fastball, and a change up before he's ever even taught how to grip a curve or slider. Learning early how to command pitches and change speeds is way more important than a breaking pitch in the long run.
eta: deleted a sentence I was wrong about
This post was edited on 7/8/16 at 12:42 pm
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