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Looks like "The Big O" was right after all
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:12 am
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:12 am
quote:
"If I've got a guy who's great shooting the ball outside, don't you want to extend your defense out a little bit?"
"[Curry] has shot well because of what's going on in basketball today. In basketball today, it's almost like if you can dunk or make a three-point shot, you're the greatest thing since sliced bread...there have been some great shooters in the past...but here again, when I played...if you shot outside and hit it, the next time I'm going to be up on top of you. I'm going to pressure you with three-quarters, half-court defense. But now they don't do that. These coaches do not understand the game of basketball, as far as I'm concerned."
I still think is a bit of a curmudgeon, but he was right...
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:15 am to Tarik One
You have 69 posts and half of them are from starting weird threads.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:23 am to Tarik One
Wait do the same people that harp that MJ is so much better than Lebron also argue that the game is much better today than it ever has been? That's a spin for you.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:25 am to Tarik One
quote:
but he was right..
yeah the Cavs really turned it around when they started 3/4 pressing Curry
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:26 am to Tarik One
It's not that teams don't guard the perimeter against GSW. It's that GSW is running moving screens all along the 3 point line.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:26 am to Tarik One
quote:
but he was right...
no he wasn't but keep hating Jeebus
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:27 am to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:
It's not that teams don't guard the perimeter against GSW. It's that GSW is running moving screens all along the 3 point line.
And shooting from the logo.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:29 am to Tarik One
wtf? Its not like people weren't guarding curry and allowed him to continuosuly hit deep open threes. Hes just really quick with the ball/hard to guard for most teams, and the warriors are "really good" at setting screens.
I need to see more proof of someone being right besides, "well, the warriors lost, and this guy said that their opponents should do this, so obviously people started doing it and thats why they lost"
I need to see more proof of someone being right besides, "well, the warriors lost, and this guy said that their opponents should do this, so obviously people started doing it and thats why they lost"
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:39 am to Tarik One
quote:This is ignorance on O's part. guards are too fast these days for pressure like that frequently. If coaches could do it, they would do it in a heartbeat. Nobody is going to pressure Curry half or 3/4 court very often bc he's too good.
I'm going to pressure you with three-quarters, half-court defense. But now they don't do that. These coaches do not understand the game of basketball, as far as I'm concerned."
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No. They turned it around when they got more disciplined on switching screens and rotating better to open shooters.
yeah the Cavs really turned it around when they started 3/4 pressing Curry
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
yeah the Cavs really turned it around when they started 3/4 pressing Curry
And switching on him as well. Lue deserves credit for that.
You'd figure that more teams would've thought to switch on Curry before then.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:43 am to Tarik One
Part of the reason that he wasn't as effective is that the refs let the defenders play more physical with him when he didn't have the ball. There was a ton more contact when he was moving without the ball. It was definitely noticeable in both the Thunder and Cavs series.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:44 am to Tarik One
quote:
These coaches do not understand the game of basketball, as far as I'm concerned
lol. Yeah, coaches of the best basketball players on planet earth simply don't understand the game. How did they ever get hired?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:45 am to Tarik One
The Warriors were missing wide open threes in the last two games. I think the Cavs have a little something to do with it, but I don't think they have some blueprint on how to defend the Warriors.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:48 am to Tarik One
I mean, GS went to game 7 of the finals and lost a nailbiter to one of the greatest players to ever play. It's hard for me to agree that they were "shutdown" or that the blueprint is now out there on how to stop them. They were still wildly successful.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:51 am to Tarik One
I agree with parts of O's argument, but saying teams should pick him up 3/4 court isn't realistic and devalues his underlying point. Curry is a more dominant regular season player for three reasons (outside of him just being really good at basketball).
1. You obviously are playing different teams each night, so there's less opportunity for those teams to get a feel for how their personnel stacks up against you. GS is the deepest team in the league, so if you put all this effort into stopping Steph, they'll just beat you somewhere else. Even if you slow down Steph and get a lead, their bench will kill you. Too many good players to just focus on getting the ball out of one guy's hands all night
2. You're playing better teams, and those teams are playing harder. A lot of guys coast through the regular season, and bad teams will just roll over and die when a team like GS gets a lead on them. That lazy play enables him to get a ton of open looks that lead to a scoring spurt.
3. The officiating is different. I think it's retarded to call games differently depending on the time of season, or game for that matter, but it's reality. There was a lot of holding and bumping both ways in this series, and it interrupted GS's rhythm much more than the iso-dominated Cavs' offense
1. You obviously are playing different teams each night, so there's less opportunity for those teams to get a feel for how their personnel stacks up against you. GS is the deepest team in the league, so if you put all this effort into stopping Steph, they'll just beat you somewhere else. Even if you slow down Steph and get a lead, their bench will kill you. Too many good players to just focus on getting the ball out of one guy's hands all night
2. You're playing better teams, and those teams are playing harder. A lot of guys coast through the regular season, and bad teams will just roll over and die when a team like GS gets a lead on them. That lazy play enables him to get a ton of open looks that lead to a scoring spurt.
3. The officiating is different. I think it's retarded to call games differently depending on the time of season, or game for that matter, but it's reality. There was a lot of holding and bumping both ways in this series, and it interrupted GS's rhythm much more than the iso-dominated Cavs' offense
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:52 am to hiltacular
They lost 9 games all year.
They lost 3 in a row to lose the title. 2 of those at home.
Id say it is fair to say there is at least some sort of blueprint
They lost 3 in a row to lose the title. 2 of those at home.
Id say it is fair to say there is at least some sort of blueprint
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:53 am to bg22
What's the blueprint?
Other than get Lebron and Westbrook/Durant.
Other than get Lebron and Westbrook/Durant.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 8:54 am
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:59 am to StrongBackWeakMind
First and foremost get after Curry on the defensive end with PNR and such. I think the Cavs were the first team to effectively get after him and get him in foul trouble. It seemed to mess with him imo
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:02 am to Goldrush25
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You'd figure that more teams would've thought to switch on Curry before then.
If people ever want to argue about the quality of the athletes the NBA has today, all you have to do is look at guys like Tristan Thompson and Steven Adams guarding Steph on the perimeter and giving him fits. That kind of length on the perimeter used to be found sporadically in guys like Pippen, but now you can get it from mid level 4s and 5s.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 9:03 am
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