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re: List the college basketball Blue Blood Programs
Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Your tier 1 is solid, your tier 2 isn't.
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:57 pm to sms151t
Arkansas isn't top 30 in wins and around the top 20 in winning percentage and most of that came in one era. They were great in the early 90s but they don't belong
Not to mention their lack of success over the past 20 years hurts them
Not to mention their lack of success over the past 20 years hurts them
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:59 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:0 NC's
What about Illinois?
#14 on all-time wins list ahead of Arizona, Ohio State, Villanova, Michigan State and UCONN
#13 in winning %
9 Elite 8's
11 Sweet 16's
5 Final 4's
1x Runner-up
17X Conference Champs
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:00 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
If we are going by history then, yea, your list is great, but the last 2 decades it hasn't been that way.
The last 20 years I'd have, in no particular order:
Duke
UCONN
Kentucky
UNC
Michigan St.
Florida
Kansas
UCLA
Everyone else below...
The last 20 years I'd have, in no particular order:
Duke
UCONN
Kentucky
UNC
Michigan St.
Florida
Kansas
UCLA
Everyone else below...
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:00 pm to zzgobucky
quote:Yet you have Georgetown up there...
Arkansas has done nothing in my lifetime
And you're younger than 21? That explains a lot.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:02 pm to Drewbie
I think multiple titles (2 or more) should be a pre requisite for consideration.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:02 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Duke
UNC
Kansas
Kentucky
UCLA
Indiana
Michigan State
Arizona
Louisville
UConn
UNC
Kansas
Kentucky
UCLA
Indiana
Michigan State
Arizona
Louisville
UConn
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:02 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
Tier 2
Arizona
Syracuse
Louisville
Georgetown
Michigan State
Villanova
UCONN
There is no reason UF does not belong on this list.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:03 pm to boXerrumble
quote:Barely having a .500 win/loss record is a pretty good reason.
There is no reason UF does not belong on this list.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:06 pm to johnnydrama
Yeah but he has Zona in Tier 2 and they have 1 NC.
So that's exactly only 1 more than Illinois.
I don't think winning a Natty is a requirement for Tier 2...which should be far larger than tier 1.
You have a lot of historic programs with Top 20 in history in wins and win % and tons of conference titles that have gone to Final Fours tons and tons of tournament appearances but haven't won a Natty...like Temple and St. Johns as well as others.
So that's exactly only 1 more than Illinois.
I don't think winning a Natty is a requirement for Tier 2...which should be far larger than tier 1.
You have a lot of historic programs with Top 20 in history in wins and win % and tons of conference titles that have gone to Final Fours tons and tons of tournament appearances but haven't won a Natty...like Temple and St. Johns as well as others.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:10 pm to boXerrumble
UF is the Donovan era and that's it. Exactly like football before Spurrier. UF Bball might as well not existed 20 years ago.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:18 pm to WestCoastAg
I guess you're deliberately leaving out the 70's-2000 and the 40's?
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:20 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Tier 3 gets a little dicey:
Illinois
Temple
St Johns
Florida
Arkansas
Ohio State
Who else?
Illinois
Temple
St Johns
Florida
Arkansas
Ohio State
Who else?
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:30 pm to Drewbie
quote:
Arkansas has done nothing in my lifetime
Yet you have Georgetown up there...
I like the op's list a lot.
Georgetown and nova are absolutely tier 2 schools, whereas schools like Florida and Arkansas are not.
I give gtown and nova the benefit of the doubt due to them being 2 of the top programs from the classic big east conference that everyone loved from the early 80s up until the dissolution a few years ago.
they are both clearly basketball schools, whereas Florida is a football school, and Arkansas probably is as well.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:35 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Oklahoma
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:37 pm to 632627
quote:One of these is not like the other. Arkansas is 17th on the all-time wins list despite only being 94 years old.
Florida and Arkansas are not.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:42 pm to Drewbie
quote:
One of these is not like the other. Arkansas is 17th on the all-time wins list despite only being 94 years old.
so they are at the top of tier 3.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:48 pm to floridatigah
quote:
Duke
UNC
Kansas
Kentucky
UCLA
Indiana
Michigan State
Arizona
Louisville
UConn
Agree with this. Indiana and UCLA could climb back up but they have fallen behind the big 4 in the past 20-25 years imo
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:10 pm to David Ricky
quote:
quote:
Duke
UNC
Kansas
Kentucky
UCLA
Indiana
Michigan State
Arizona
Louisville
UConn
Agree with this. Indiana and UCLA could climb back up but they have fallen behind the big 4 in the past 20-25 years imo
Duke didn't win its first National Championship until 1991.
These lists always devolve into what happened the last 25 years and everything else before is irrelevant. Just how FSU is always near the top in these football lists despite being garbage before 1980.
And what has Kansas done in the past 30 years over UCLA to make up the HUGE disparity of National Titles 11-3 and Final Fours?
Kansas has won 2 Nattys and UCLA has won 1 the last 30 years.
Kansas 8 Final Fours, UCLA 5
That doesn't erase the fact Kansas won 1 title before 1988.
1952, 1988 - the length of time is Michigan football-esque. (1948, 1997)
In between Kansas winning 2 Nattys, UCLA won 10 and went to 14 Final Fours.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:11 pm to BOSCEAUX
quote:
UF is the Donovan era and that's it.
You could almost say the same about UConn and Calhoun.
They were a moderately successful regional program before, but nothing close to what they became during his era. And Calhoun was there over a decade before UConn reached their first Final Four, long after their original Big East rivals had already broken through.
Obviously Ollie won one, but he hasn't sustained the same level of success, which makes Calhoun's run even more impressive.
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