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re: LHSAA Split also approved for baseball,basketball, and softball. Like football.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:29 pm to Choupique19
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:29 pm to Choupique19
From what I gather, he hasn't done HIS job. He was hired to fix this and he hasn't. So he maybe let go.
As I said before, something has to be done and some of the public schools would like to see it come back together but with some better guidelines for private schools. There's some who looking at what Alabama and Ohio do in their classifications.
As I said before, something has to be done and some of the public schools would like to see it come back together but with some better guidelines for private schools. There's some who looking at what Alabama and Ohio do in their classifications.
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:50 pm to cadelaf
Only so much Bonine can do... he knew who he needed to get on board and hasn't done it... where Bonine came from Bishop Gorman tramples Nevada in every sport and he let that happen...
Posted on 1/28/16 at 12:16 am to cadelaf
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As I said before, something has to be done and some of the public schools would like to see it come back together but with some better guidelines for private schools. There's some who looking at what Alabama and Ohio do in their classifications.
They've been "trying" different things for over a decade to remedy a situation where one school wins something like 19 out of 22 state championships (which, let's face it, does not make for the most exciting competitive environment). They tried to let schools play up one class. Let them play up as far as they want. Forced them to stay down. Nothing seemed to be able to make the majority of schools happy or to achieve anything close to parity.
Then they tried the split. Still getting a lot of unhappy schools (or at least unhappy message board posters who may or may not represent what different schools feel - to be honest, I haven't really heard a lot of schools complaining about the playoff only split over the years it's been in effect).
I think the main thing right now is not the split per se but that there are just way too many classes/divisions in both public and (I think even more so) in private. But good luck putting that genie back in the bottle after 1) schools have got a taste of having a greater chance to make it to the dome because of how many state titles there are, and 2) The LHSAA and the schools have got a taste of the increased $ from more playoff games and state championships.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 5:52 am to Methuselah
If I was a kid who made it to the dome in the last three years, I'd feel like I'd need to put an asterisk on my ring.
I always felt bad winning state at a smaller classification because it never felt like you were the true state champ. You were just the state champ of schools that are your size. I couldn't fathom winning a split classification title.
I always felt bad winning state at a smaller classification because it never felt like you were the true state champ. You were just the state champ of schools that are your size. I couldn't fathom winning a split classification title.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 6:05 am to Atom Knab
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If I was a kid who made it to the dome in the last three years, I'd feel like I'd need to put an asterisk on my ring.
I always felt bad winning state at a smaller classification because it never felt like you were the true state champ. You were just the state champ of schools that are your size. I couldn't fathom winning a split classification title.
Wow. Talk about a glass half empty guy. So you think anything other than one state champion for every high school in the state no matter the size/type, etc. is not a true champion?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 6:17 am to Methuselah
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I think the main thing right now is not the split per se but that there are just way too many classes/divisions in both public and (I think even more so) in private
While I'm anti-split, it wouldn't be as terrible if they just combined Divisions I and II. It makes little sense to have two separate 10-team playoff brackets for these classifications. Let's face it, there isn't much disparity among the teams in these two divisions from top to bottom. Why dilute the playoff field this much?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 6:22 am to Methuselah
It isn't glass half empty, I just don't like watered down victories.
This was always my idea:
It makes less sense for football, but baseball and basketball could have your traditional state playoff brackets and state champions. One week later, there is a tournament for all the state champions to determine the true state champion.
This was always my idea:
It makes less sense for football, but baseball and basketball could have your traditional state playoff brackets and state champions. One week later, there is a tournament for all the state champions to determine the true state champion.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 6:38 am to NikolaiJakov
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B.S. Every state has the same issues. Read you history of Tennessee, Indiana, Nevada, etc.
Texas and Mississippi keep them in a separate organization, and coincidently, have less issues.
Those separated organizations were initiated by the private schools because they couldn't compete. They weren't kicked out by the public schools because the public schools wanted more state championships.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 6:40 am to cadelaf
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From what I gather, he hasn't done HIS job. He was hired to fix this and he hasn't. So he maybe let go.
He can't fix it because you have a bunch of incompetent HS principals that block any real progress in favor of a good ole' boy system.
Bonine isn't the problem.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:14 am to Antonio Moss
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He can't fix it because you have a bunch of incompetent HS principals that block any real progress in favor of a good ole' boy system. Bonine isn't the problem.
BINGO!
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:29 am to Methuselah
Or they could, you know, make all schools play by the same set of rules.
Or explain to me how a kid driving from the north shore to John Curtis every day passing up a whole host of quality schools along his journey is about "getting him the best education."
Or explain to me how a kid driving from the north shore to John Curtis every day passing up a whole host of quality schools along his journey is about "getting him the best education."
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:32 am to Atom Knab
So anything other than a single state champ is watered down? 
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:33 am to Hangover Haven
If ya'll are going to blame Booker and Griffin for this then share the blame with the principals that spearheaded the play in class rule in 2004 that shoved ECA and JC down 1a and 2a 's throats...
that started this fire.
that started this fire.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:37 am to Atom Knab
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It isn't glass half empty, I just don't like watered down victories.
Well, if you "felt bad about winning state at a small school" that sounds pretty glass half empty to me.
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This was always my idea:
It makes less sense for football, but baseball and basketball could have your traditional state playoff brackets and state champions. One week later, there is a tournament for all the state champions to determine the true state champion.
Any why stop there. There would still be a bunch of college and one pro football team out there. To be a "true" state champion, wouldn't you have to beat them all?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:47 am to Methuselah
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Then they tried the split. Still getting a lot of unhappy schools (or at least unhappy message board posters who may or may not represent what different schools feel - to be honest, I haven't really heard a lot of schools complaining about the playoff only split over the years it's been in effect).
Bingo
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:48 am to Methuselah
Why not just make every school that fields a team to receive a state championship. 
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:48 am to cadelaf
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From what I gather, he hasn't done HIS job. He was hired to fix this and he hasn't. So he maybe let go
You're an idiot. He is and always has been a "by the book" guy. They knew that when they hired him. He did what he could to erase the decision of the split but has to allow them to vote.
Did you think this clusterfrick was going to be solved overnight?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:49 am to Atom Knab
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If I was a kid who made it to the dome in the last three years, I'd feel like I'd need to put an asterisk on my ring.
I always felt bad winning state at a smaller classification because it never felt like you were the true state champ. You were just the state champ of schools that are your size. I couldn't fathom winning a split classification title.
So, since you're not the best in your chosen profession (and judging by your asinine post, you're not unless you're a crash test dummy), you should forfeit your salary. You didn't earn it, someone else is better than you.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:58 am to NikolaiJakov
That is far from an accurate analogy, imo.
A closer analogy would be winning a PGA tournament the week of the British Open or a WGC event. You still won a PGA tournament, but it took the best players playing in another tournament for you to do it.
A closer analogy would be winning a PGA tournament the week of the British Open or a WGC event. You still won a PGA tournament, but it took the best players playing in another tournament for you to do it.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 8:00 am to Atom Knab
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A closer analogy would be winning a PGA tournament the week of the British Open or a WGC event. You still won a PGA tournament, but it took the best players playing in another tournament for you to do it.
Last I checked you still get a trophy because you beat all comers at the tournament you played in.
Ditto the kids who've won state championships the last three years. They were the best in their classifications. It just so happened their classification only included schools like them.
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