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Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:11 pm to CerealKilla
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Wooden cheated his way to greatness. You may want to rethink your comparison.
That was an intentional comparison.
Wooden may have cheated his arse off, but he still built a program up from nothing into the greatest run of success in NCAA basketball history.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:12 pm to diablo blanco
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Sorry, I was trying to make another point. No private school has had a title stripped for playing a recruited player. That is their nature. They recruit
Didn't Bastrop lose a title in 4-A
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:24 pm to YMCA
Bastrop is a public who was stripped.
IIRC, Southern Lab is at least one private school stripped of a football title around 1997 or so.
IIRC, Southern Lab is at least one private school stripped of a football title around 1997 or so.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:25 pm to elprez00
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I also think he (and others)are really overvaluing the "Catholic league games fill the stands" argument.
no, it's impossible to overvalue it...
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Just wait until all the Brother Martin parents find out where they have to move to send their kids there.
that area could use an upgrade
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It's going to be hilarious when everyone from Da Parish starts buying in Mid City since Holy Cross moved there.
as far as i'm concerned they can GTFO
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:30 pm to League Champs
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2) Select schools are the most butthurt because they know it will effect their future recruitment
This separation will only make recruiting worse
Public school football will suffer not the private.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:47 pm to tcoachmc
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Tcoachmc
A tip of the hat to you as well, sir.
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:59 pm to teke184
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Bastrop is a public who was stripped.
My bad. I read it and saw public and not private. Thanks for catching that for me.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 5:00 pm to JJ27
Non-Select, New Orleans metro area.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 5:04 pm to BeBeaux
Good for her and I mean that seriously.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 5:26 pm to diablo blanco
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 5:30 pm to diablo blanco
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No, they don't.
But to put it another way, if LSU could only use Louisiana high school student athletes, but the rest of the SEC could recruit from all over the country, would that truly be equitable?
That's a foolish analogy. The Winnfield Principal made the same argument and it was just as dumb. A more truthful analogy would be a system where 80 random college students from Louisiana were selected to play for LSU and 80 random players were selected to play for Alabama. The law of statistics says there would be no statistical advantage either way.
Unless there is actual recruiting (which the public schools get in trouble for more than the privates) your district size doesn't make a difference.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 6:01 pm to CerealKilla
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AAU is one of the most crooked organizations in existence. I don't blame him for taking advantage of the system we have in place. But to say, it could not be used to steer talent to Dunham is incorrect.
His AAU team was created for the sole purpose of giving kids who couldn't a team a spot to play.
LINK
Posted on 4/25/13 at 6:08 pm to JJ27
She definitely caught some flack from her side of the isle but she thought the whole idea of select/non-select was condescending on its face.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 6:36 pm to BeBeaux
Lsu coaches have to hate this as well. The reason why I say that is scouting these players accurately will be a lot tougher since the competition will be extremely watered down.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:53 am to Antonio Moss
So, I should believe these athletes just wander up to these private schools and ask to play football there?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 1:00 am to GhostofJackson
divide the public and private schools up.
public schools have 5 divisions
private schools have 5 divisions
at the end of the year have the championship winner from each division play each other for the outright championship. public versus private.
public schools have 5 divisions
private schools have 5 divisions
at the end of the year have the championship winner from each division play each other for the outright championship. public versus private.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:32 am to teke184
The point yall are missing is the Winnfield principal and those who voted with her don't give two flying fricks what you think, what the Catholic League thinks, or what the EBR suburbanites who send their kids to private schools think. They're not obligated to act in your best interest any more than you're obligated to act in theirs. They're doing what they think is right for their schools. If the LHSAA implodes, it will affect a school like Winnfield very little. They'll go on playing in whatever league develops, pretty much as before. There's no viable private school within driving distance, so even if it turns into a no-rules wild west scenario, nobody is going to be able to recruit players from there.
If the shoe was on the other foot, the schools hollering now would screw the upstate public schools without a second thought. Sucks to be you, and I'm not unsympathetic to the schools that are just caught in the crossfire. But at the end of the day, the upstate and rural public schools are doing what they think is best for them. What's best for Brother Martin or Catholic HS doesn't enter into their thinking, nor should it.
If the shoe was on the other foot, the schools hollering now would screw the upstate public schools without a second thought. Sucks to be you, and I'm not unsympathetic to the schools that are just caught in the crossfire. But at the end of the day, the upstate and rural public schools are doing what they think is best for them. What's best for Brother Martin or Catholic HS doesn't enter into their thinking, nor should it.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:57 am to diablo blanco
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So, I should believe these athletes just wander up to these private schools and ask to play football there?
Go see who is constantly getting busted for recruiting violations - it isn't the private schools.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:27 am to teke184
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The difference between the two is that Phil inherited teams with those players while Curtis built his program from the ground up.
No, the difference is that John Curtis wins championships with a stacked deck because he plays in 2A (or whatever lower classification they are in...).
This is a John Curtis and Evangel problem, plain and simple. I don't have any stats, but somebody in this thread mentioned that Curtis has been to 17 straight title games in their class. If that is accurate, or even remotely close to being accurate, then I really don't know what to say to people who don't see the problem
. I don't know the solution, but there obviously is a problem. Perhaps they need to force successful private schools to play all the way up in football. I don't know how you determine that, perhaps it could be done based on winning a couple state titles in a 5 year span, or some other predetermined objective criteria designed to address the issue.
To make that work, they would have to decide whether the top class is in 5A with other public 5A teams, or whether that is in 6A with some public teams (I'm not sure how this determination would be made or whether it would be optional). I'd probably favor some type of 6A mix of select public and private, but I haven't given it much thought.
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