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Jim Brown = GOAT

Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:21 am
Posted by Ford Frenzy
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:21 am
On Inside the NBA, making a point to say he would never kneel during the anthem and disrespect the country.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:34 am to
There is a huge difference between the Civil Rights activists of the 50s and 60s and the "Neo Civil Rights" activists (aka Black Lives Matter) of the 21st century. Those original activists had a genuine love for this country. You saw American flags all over the place during their marches. Now you hardly see a single one of them.

Jim Brown always felt disrespected due to his color but he never let that affect his love for this country.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:35 am
Posted by Ford Frenzy
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:38 am to
Agree 100%
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:35 am to
Bo Jackson/Herschel Walker but in the 1950's/1960's.

(P.S. Bo >>>>>> Herschel)
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
19739 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:40 am to
I'd bet you don't know what Jim Brown has been through and what he really thinks about this "issue".
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22095 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:42 am to
The revisionist history around the Civil Rights Movement and its activists is laughable, at this point. They were some of the most hated people in the country and absolutely NOT thought of as patriots, at the time. Hence the reason so many of them got their brains blown out.

Now when it fits people's agendas, Ali, MLK, Jim Brown, etc, are thrown out as the beacons of patriotism by many of the same people who would've hated their guts had they been around at that time.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38000 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:45 am to
You do realize that what the racists, good ol' boys, and Jim Crow lovers thought of THEM had nothing to do with what they were (heroes) and how they actually felt (love of country) right?
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 4:46 am
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22095 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:49 am to
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You do realize that what the racists, good ol' boys, and Jim Crow lovers thought of THEM had nothing to do with what they were (heroes) and how they actually felt (love of country) right?
Yes, and the same applies in 2016. Activism is never popular while its happening.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 4:52 am
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14032 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:55 am to
Today's "activists" are nothing like the civil rights activists of the past, who actually stood for something.
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2015
88576 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:29 am to
That was a awesome conversation by those guys. Well needed and wish it was longer. This is just another reason why TNT is lightyears ahead of ESPN. They allow their guys to speak their mind, no matter the opinion

For those who haven't seen, here's a clip LINK
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 7:33 am
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83334 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:16 am to
I was a bit blown away by that conversation. It was infinitely more mature and thoughtful than anything I've heard from ESPN or the NFL.

Observation: Jim Brown looks old and decrepit but when he talks he's just as sharp/quick as ever.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
30353 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:20 am to
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I'd bet you don't know what Jim Brown has been through and what he really thinks about this "issue".


I'd bet he had it tough with race issues, but he also beat the shite out of his wife and other women, and has been investigated for rape 6 times. He's mostly a POS.

LINK

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July 24, 1965 - A jury finds Brown not guilty of assault and battery against 18-year-old Brenda Ayres, after an incident in his hotel room.

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1968 - Brown is charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin is found beneath the balcony of Brown's second floor apartment. The charge is later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refuses to name him as her assailant. Brown also pays a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff during the same incident.

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February 5, 1970 - A jury finds Brown not guilty of assault and battery charges, stemming from a traffic accident in 1969.

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1978 - Is sentenced to one day in jail for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. Brown is also fined $500 and receives two years' probation.

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1985 - Brown is charged with raping and assaulting a 33-year-old woman in his home. The judge later dismisses the charges based on inconsistent testimony.

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August 1986 - Brown is arrested for assaulting live-in girlfriend Debra Clark. The charges are later dropped after Clark refuses to prosecute.

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June 15, 1999 - Following a domestic disturbance with his wife Monique, Jim Brown is arrested and charged with making terrorist threats toward his wife. In the 911 tape, Monique Brown accuses Brown of threatening to kill her, a claim she later recants.

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September 10, 1999 - A jury finds Brown guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel during the June incident. He is later fined $1,800 and sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling and 400 hours community service or 40 hours on a work crew.

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January 5, 2000 - Brown is sentenced to six months in jail for refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service hours handed down in 1999. He serves almost four months in the Ventura County jail in 2002.


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2002 - Spike Lee's documentary, "Jim Brown: All American," is released.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 9:28 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86428 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:25 am to
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"Neo Civil Rights" activists (aka Black Lives Matter)


please don't call them that. Actual civil rights activists don't even halfway, remotely, anywhere close resemble the morons sitting in highways today.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28082 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:43 am to
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Yes, and the same applies in 2016. Activism is never popular while its happening.


Except minorities aren't treated as second class citizens, in an institutionalized, pervasive way in the eyes of the law or in education, as they were back then.

40-50 years ago, people would line the streets to protest if a black girl tried to go to school in Alabama. Nowadays, minorities literally get preferential treatment, in an institutionalized way, in terms of education and employment as a result of affirmative action.

Part of maintaining a rationale, mature understanding of history is knowing how to make value judgments. Trying to equivocate because there is resistance now like there was back then is silly. In that era, it wasn't justified, in this era it is.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35395 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:16 pm to
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They were some of the most hated people in the country and absolutely NOT thought of as patriots, at the time.

Now when it fits people's agendas, Ali, MLK, Jim Brown, etc, are thrown out as the beacons of patriotism by many of the same people who would've hated their guts had they been around at that time.


Well Ali certainly wasn't. What's funny is the narrative was crafted by Ali as the outsider, the champion for equality for all and it was the complete opposite compared to reality.

But everyone bought the narrative.

In those Frazier vs. Ali fights - you had the Hard Hats, Cops, Conservatives holding up Frazier as the "white man's hope."

From Frazier's Biography: "Come out Smokin' Joe

"Ali was idol among blacks and liberals, a hero among college students and hippies and yippies, a Martyr among Muslims and peaceniks.

"Frazier unwillingly carried the colors of the establishment, the Patriot groups, the silent majority, the Hard Hats and Unions."

"The irony was, that it was Joe Frazier, not Ali, who grew up in the depths of poverty, the racism and ghettos of the deep South.

"Ali came from relative affluence in Louisville. Growing up, Ali lived in a comfortable home. Frazier lived in a shack. Ali had his own bicycle and never had to work. Frazier picked vegetables for $1 a day and made his own punching bag."

"I'm gonna give him a ghetto whupping," Ali said.

"What he know about the Ghetto," Frazier replied.

"Everybody who is black wants me to win and anybody who is black who thinks Frazier can whup me is an Unlce Tom," Ali said.

"There was a time when Ali tried to get Frazier to join the Muslim Brotherhood. Joe refused when he found out the leader of the Muslims, Elijah Muhammad and his sons lived in big mansions and drove fancy cars while the followers of the sect were poor."

"I think he is a phony. I've seen pictures of him in cars with white guys, hugging them and laughing. Then he goes and calls me an Uncle Tom. Don't be saying, I hate the white man and then run to them for help. His trainer is white, a lot of guys around him are white. Well my manager is black and all the guys in my group are black. What about that?"

"Clay believes things different that me," Frazier pointed out. "He believes black and white should be treated different. I believe everybody is the same. A lot he stands for his true. But I don't want to live off hate. But that don't make me no Uncle Tom. I'm just doing a job. I ain't no white hope. I'm only a hope for them."

"The NAACP even threw up picket lines outside of Frazier's gym to jeer him."
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:18 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33909 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:23 pm to
I see the effects of CTE has finally set in for Jim Brown.
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