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Is Y.A. Tittle's 1963 season the greatest passing season of all-time?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:38 pm
Yes, I know I'll be accused of prisoner of moment reaction to this legend's recent passing but I've done my homework regarding this and feel I can make a strong argument for Y.A. in 1963 as the greatest of all-time, especially when controlling for context. His case:
-1963 NFL MVP, led Giants to 3rd straight NFL Title Game
-3,100 yards passing in 13 games
-36-14 TD/INT ratio
-60% completion pct
-105 passer rating
-set single-season touchdown pass record(took 21 seasons to surpass)
Thoughts?
-1963 NFL MVP, led Giants to 3rd straight NFL Title Game
-3,100 yards passing in 13 games
-36-14 TD/INT ratio
-60% completion pct
-105 passer rating
-set single-season touchdown pass record(took 21 seasons to surpass)
Thoughts?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:40 pm to ThePTExperience1969
3100 in 13 games in 1963 is pretty impressive.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:46 pm to Akit1
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3100 in 13 games in 1963 is pretty impressive.
Especially when considering 1963 NFL was completely run and defense-oriented because of the rules which basically created the Dead Ball Era for professional football. No one except Y.A., Unitas and Jurgensen threw the ball as many times as they did nor were they as accurate as Y.A. during this particular period in the early 60s. For him to avoid tons of INTs in those days with all his pass attempts and still complete for 60% and 36 TDs was really extraordinary and transcendent. At age 37 no less!
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:48 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
That's Peyton's 2013 for those times. Unitas is the most noted passer of that era but never had a 60% completion season. Bradshaw played a decade later and never came close to those stats.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:48 pm to ThePTExperience1969
What's even more amazing is the greatest passing day of all-time, still stands 65 years later.
In this age of wily-nily, easy-peasy everybody is open passing...Norm Van Brocklin's record still stands of 554 passing yards in a single game in 1951.
Norm Van Brocklin was not even the Rams’ first-string quarterback then; he started that day, one of two he made that season, because the incumbent was hurt. But on that warm, sunny day at Los Angeles Coliseum 60 years ago Wednesday, Van Brocklin did something that no other N.F.L. quarterback had done. More remarkably, no one has done it since. He threw for 554 yards, a sum so outsized, so far from the norm, that even the turbocharged offenses of today’s game, with their spread formations and no-huddle packages, have been unable to match it.
It shattered the existing record by 86 yards, and though no film or photographs from that game seem to have survived, the mark Van Brocklin set has remained so out of reach that even the greatest passers in the game’s history — most recently Tom Brady, who threw for 517 yards in the Patriots’ season opener this season — have fallen short.
“I said before I got the actual statistics, ‘Nobody is going to break this record in a long time,’ ” said George Taliaferro, a halfback, quarterback and defensive back for the New York Yanks, the Rams’ opponent on Sept. 28, 1951. “I had not projected to the kind of football that would be played today. I’m thinking about the vintage kind of football we played.”
In this age of wily-nily, easy-peasy everybody is open passing...Norm Van Brocklin's record still stands of 554 passing yards in a single game in 1951.
Norm Van Brocklin was not even the Rams’ first-string quarterback then; he started that day, one of two he made that season, because the incumbent was hurt. But on that warm, sunny day at Los Angeles Coliseum 60 years ago Wednesday, Van Brocklin did something that no other N.F.L. quarterback had done. More remarkably, no one has done it since. He threw for 554 yards, a sum so outsized, so far from the norm, that even the turbocharged offenses of today’s game, with their spread formations and no-huddle packages, have been unable to match it.
It shattered the existing record by 86 yards, and though no film or photographs from that game seem to have survived, the mark Van Brocklin set has remained so out of reach that even the greatest passers in the game’s history — most recently Tom Brady, who threw for 517 yards in the Patriots’ season opener this season — have fallen short.
“I said before I got the actual statistics, ‘Nobody is going to break this record in a long time,’ ” said George Taliaferro, a halfback, quarterback and defensive back for the New York Yanks, the Rams’ opponent on Sept. 28, 1951. “I had not projected to the kind of football that would be played today. I’m thinking about the vintage kind of football we played.”
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:51 pm to saintsfan22
Marino's season for the type of football in the mid-80's is still GOAT.
That was back when you could still get after the quarterback like Lawrence Taylor said: "like a bunch of crazed dogs."
That was back when you could still get after the quarterback like Lawrence Taylor said: "like a bunch of crazed dogs."
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:51 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Norm Van Brocklin's record still stands of 554 passing yards in a single game in 1951.
What's under championed about that performance is that Van Brocklin threw for 5 TD passes on 66% passing achieving a 128 passer rating, unreal.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:52 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Yup.
Marino's season for the type of football in the mid-80's is still GOAT.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:53 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Marino's season for the type of football in the mid-80's is still GOAT.
What about Bert Jones 1976 before the 1978 rules changes when the Steel Curtain and other great defenses were dominating the NFL at the time?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:54 pm to saintsfan22
Great stats for those times. Not the greatest passing season of all time.
If you want to adjust for era, Marino takes it.
Teams averaged 4 more attempts per game in 1984.
If you want to adjust for era, Marino takes it.
Teams averaged 4 more attempts per game in 1984.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 11:10 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
That's across 28 teams with better pass completion pct and better passer rating than 1963 so easier to infer the overall mean passing stats that season are diluted plus they had the benefit of the 1978 rules changes so the proficient passing teams of 1984 NFL feasted on the defenses per usual as they did the prior 6 seasons. Significantly harder in 1963 NFL when DBs could molest wide receivers all over the field and teams were built for smash mouth offense.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 11:11 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Tell us more about the NFL you never watched.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 3:48 am to ThePTExperience1969
Considering the defensive back friendly era, I think it's up there.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:09 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Holy hell, how old are you? I had you pegged for a 27 year old..
I know I'll be accused of prisoner of moment reaction to this legend
quote:You've got my attention. That's incredibly impressive for his era.
-3,100 yards passing in 13 games
-36-14 TD/INT ratio
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:13 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I remember when Vince Ferragamo played for the Rams. He threw for 515 yards in one game, and it wasn't even a team record.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:11 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:
Bert Jones 1976
Most underrated passing season in league history IMO
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:44 am to ThePTExperience1969
Looks pretty pedestrian on the surface, but given the era and the fact that you were allowed to play defense back then, you could certainly make the argument.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:32 pm to memphis tiger
It was just such an anomaly back during that Dead Ball Era, practically no one except Bart Starr was completing 60% or more of their passes then much less achieving 36 TD passes which stood for 21 seasons. Not minimizing what Marino did but he played in the post-Mel Blount Rule era and therefore some QB would’ve eclipsed what Tittle did at some point. Tittle and the Giants didn’t have that amount of deference to the offense and were one of the first teams to be pass-dominant, especially when Gifford was converted to wideout. Next to setting phenomenal records, they were arguable trailblazers as well especially with the increased degree of difficulty of 1960s NFL.
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